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chooklaglouz
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate

From: Paris - FRance
Insane since: Apr 2003

IP logged posted posted 04-06-2003 20:12 Edit Quote

please no insults about fullscreen.
works ie5+, NS7, maybe some others
rez 1280*1024
flashplayer6 + sound plugged

all criticizes are welcome
have a good day.

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

IP logged posted posted 04-06-2003 20:39 Edit Quote

chooklaglouz: Welcome. I'm glad you headed us off at the pass there but a link or something might be handy

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HZR
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Cold Sweden
Insane since: Jul 2002

IP logged posted posted 04-06-2003 20:45 Edit Quote

Emperor: http://www.laglouz.net - through his profile (hope that's the one he means )

Looks very good. Nice gfx



[This message has been edited by HZR (edited 04-06-2003).]

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

IP logged posted posted 04-06-2003 21:17 Edit Quote

HZR: Pos. but its probably worth waiting to find out (stranger things have happened). Even if it isn't I'd like to say that a popup telling me to change my screen resolution is rude but to have it in French, and so confusing the large number of non_French speakers out there, seems pretty counter-productive.

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chooklaglouz
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate

From: Paris - FRance
Insane since: Apr 2003

IP logged posted posted 04-06-2003 21:18 Edit Quote

thanks and sorry

you are right HZR, this is the one

actually main problems are about the entrance...if you use modified, skinned or upgraded browsers it seems not to work correctly (opening in FS mode) please tell me if someone experiences trouble to view the site


chooklaglouz
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate

From: Paris - FRance
Insane since: Apr 2003

IP logged posted posted 04-06-2003 21:22 Edit Quote

i'd like to include something that checks if it is possible to change rez and do it automatically...my main problem is that i don't know if it is possible (like in video games, seems ro be very simple) i at this time have no other way to inform that if viewed in other rez than 1280*1024, this site will be ugly, because of the frameset

sorry for the language...the inside is containing more graphics than french blahblah

HZR
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Cold Sweden
Insane since: Jul 2002

IP logged posted posted 04-06-2003 21:41 Edit Quote

I had the "right" screen resolution so I never saw the alert. Agree with Emperor about what he said.
If your site only works in one screen resolution, you should seriously rethink it IMO.

chooklaglouz
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate

From: Paris - FRance
Insane since: Apr 2003

IP logged posted posted 04-06-2003 21:47 Edit Quote

argh !



Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

IP logged posted posted 04-06-2003 22:06 Edit Quote

chooklaglouz: And you have a fullscreen popup followed by another one with the main site in. The main site has a close screen button but the first splash screen doesn't so if you have any tips for getting rid of the bloody thing (without having to shut all IE windows down) I'd be most appreciative.

You mentioned video games but you should understand that you aren't designing for video games (or TV or magazines or CD-ROMs) you are designing for the web and you need to make your design flexible enough to cope with people viewing your site at different resolutions and with different browsers - you are currently trying to force a square peg through a round hole and you are going to lose some corners in the process.

I do really like the look and the graphics - it can be tricky working whch so much of that strong yellow and I think you've pulled it off well but there are design and conceptual issues that really need to be addressed first. It wouldn't really be fair offering more of a review as I'm not using the correct resolution (and I'm not changing it either - you should really make sure your pages work in 800x600 so demanding 1280x1024 seems unreasonable) and things are clearly breaking.

Anyway keep up the good work - you've clearly put a lot of effort into this and it is working (to a degree) but you need to design for the medium.

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chooklaglouz
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate

From: Paris - FRance
Insane since: Apr 2003

IP logged posted posted 04-06-2003 22:33 Edit Quote

thanx emp for your implication.

for 800*600 people i made www.onirosgalaxy.net

you will understand after this i needed something BIG and colorful (that excuses nothing of course)
it is my first FULL try, and hope someone some day will be fully pleased with it.
it is clearly not a popular format, i mean i did the choice knowingly, aware that one can not please everybody
so i decided to design something that (for me only) approaches a kind of ideal (today there are so much different sized windows, with different pops and buttons and things that trash works. i mean, by doing the thing my best way, i probably have chance to touch specific but right (to me) people.

now i understand perfectly what you say and thank you again.

for the chromeless window there is a transparent cross at the usual place that turns orange onrollover...that is rude but if it is visible at first it will be clicked immediately...
i sure have to rethink the access to the site, have been trapped in flash MX components settings...forcing me to do some unfair bricolage
your last sentence let me guess you had a quite good time which is the most important.


Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

IP logged posted posted 04-06-2003 22:51 Edit Quote

chooklaglouz: I think the point is that you shouldn't design for any specific resolution - think about a more liquid design.

and on this:

quote:
for the chromeless window there is a transparent cross at the usual place that turns orange onrollover...that is rude but if it is visible at first it will be clicked immediately...



Ah yes but it the cross is only present (and then only barely visible - I just clicked in the corner until it went away)on the screen at 1280x1024 and as I wasn't using that resolution.........

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DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

IP logged posted posted 04-06-2003 23:30 Edit Quote

I closed the site as soon as it resized itself.

As far as I'm concerned, there is *nothing* that warrants a website hijacking my browser window, and there is no reason that a site can't be made to work without going full screen, and without requiring such an absurdly large resolution.

It also really sucks to have music playing and then have it overshadowed by sounds automatically spawned by a website. Very bad =(



[This message has been edited by DL-44 (edited 04-06-2003).]

chooklaglouz
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate

From: Paris - FRance
Insane since: Apr 2003

IP logged posted posted 04-06-2003 23:36 Edit Quote

well sorry then

i think i'm going to do another one, more "liquid style"
redesign this one will be a lot of work for not much (when i look my paintings in 800*600 popups or in the "content" window minus the toolbar, minus the nav, i really feel that impact is poor. I may have wanted to "potmelt" too much things.

anyways
may i link this site in mine ? using a screenshot of your logo which reminds me tasty honey ?

chooklaglouz
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate

From: Paris - FRance
Insane since: Apr 2003

IP logged posted posted 04-06-2003 23:52 Edit Quote

dl44: "requiring such an absurdly large resolution."

i understand U find it absurd as you have not seen a bit of content.
what an extreme judgement based upon so few elements...

remembers me ONER, a praktica forum deweller who doesn't leave without headphones welded on his head, who left after five seconds not standing the buzz of the bees, not even curious to see what was behind...or even thaught about leaving for five seconds his headphones...

for my part if i look at movie, i don't put radio on. i'm not responsible for your polyactivity. please don't blame a product that has been thaught really "multimedia"

of course when exposing things one could be able to stand extreme criticize, this time it is hard
as long as you closed the whole thing before it even began

peace anyways



DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

IP logged posted posted 04-07-2003 00:14 Edit Quote

Heh. Ok then.

quote:
all criticizes are welcome



The delivery is a very important part of a website, and your chosen method of delivery was an extremely poor one that I have a big problem with.

I didn't realize that anyone was particularly 'responsible' for my polyactivity...I don't turn the radio one when I watch movie either. But I do when I browse the web - and so do a huge number of people.

by 'absurdly large' I mean that a great many people won't have such a high resolution. In fact, until I got my newest computer, I couldn't have gone that high at all.

Regardless of the content, it is absurd to expect your viewers to have their monitors set that high.

.

Emperor - ALT+F4 works just fine =)



[This message has been edited by DL-44 (edited 04-07-2003).]

chooklaglouz
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate

From: Paris - FRance
Insane since: Apr 2003

IP logged posted posted 04-07-2003 00:34 Edit Quote

i agree with the delivery stuff

Perfect Thunder
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Milwaukee
Insane since: Oct 2001

IP logged posted posted 04-07-2003 05:22 Edit Quote

What's more, if something is set to go fullscreen on me, it's a complete loss, since I'm in 2560 x 1024, stretched across two monitors. Is your site optimized to be viewed across two large windows?

What I'm saying is that maybe your site is a tremendous work of art (it's down right now), but certain choices are considered user-hostile on the web. One is sound, since people don't expect pages to have sound (and they deal poorly with things they don't expect); one is requiring a specific resolution, since people set their resolution for a reason; one is going fullscreen, since people like to have control over their own window.

Doing this sort of thing takes away from your art instead of adding to it.

chooklaglouz
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate

From: Paris - FRance
Insane since: Apr 2003

IP logged posted posted 04-07-2003 15:12 Edit Quote

ok !
should be better right now : no more fullscreen, no more remaining chromeless window
still 1280*1024 (popsunder splash) window


DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

IP logged posted posted 04-07-2003 18:30 Edit Quote

Important question: who is your target audience?

Again, not to harp on the issue, but....1280x1024 is an extremely high res that the average user simply *isn't* going to have.

I'm at work right now, where I'm limited to 800x600 for instance...



chooklaglouz
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate

From: Paris - FRance
Insane since: Apr 2003

IP logged posted posted 04-07-2003 20:52 Edit Quote

well my target audience is a webdesign manager that can feel i can handle creative stuff, do flatrate stuff, full mixed media
just to work with/for him or her

in my country some say : "Who can do the most can do the least"



Dracusis
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Brisbane, Australia
Insane since: Apr 2001

IP logged posted posted 04-07-2003 22:49 Edit Quote

Well, if your target audience for the site are web designers, creative media directors or anyone doing business in the web then don't you think they'll appreciate someone who designs for the medium?

After all, this is the web, and people do have different screen resolutions. Don't get me wrong here, you have some fantastic work there but limiting your site to one resolution kinda shows that your sharpened multimedia design skills can't realistically be applied to the web. If they could then part of your design would have been to cater for variable screen resolutions would it not?

If your one of them folks that likes to look at design as a form of creative problem solving then the huge screen resolution requirement shows a problem that you kinda forgot to design for. Not something I'd personally want to send out to prospective employers.

What you've got at the moment demonstrates a nice skill set in using flash and audio as well as a strong understanding of interactive media but by restricting the work to that kind of extreme resolution your basically saying you know little about how to design well for the web, regardless of weather or not that's actually true.

Another thing, about the splash page... What’s it there for? Do you really need it? What purpose does the splash page actually serve? You're opening the window under it regardless of the users screen resolution or flash player version anyhow so I fail to see why you need a splash screen at all. If your dead set on using one then maybe it would be better to use the splash screen to try and detect the site's requirements through JavaScript then simply redirect to the main content page if all the requirements are found or simply stay on the splash page (which would display the site's requirements) if you couldn't detect everything that was needed.


chooklaglouz
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate

From: Paris - FRance
Insane since: Apr 2003

IP logged posted posted 04-19-2003 17:29 Edit Quote

well this should be repaired right now..

it is 1024/768
the splash is changed

thanx again

Veneficuz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: A graveyard of dreams
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 04-19-2003 22:41 Edit Quote

Do really need to launch the page into a pop-up window? Pop-ups are generally bad and anoying for the user, and in your case it doesn't seem like you need it for the design either. I'm browsing with pop-up windows disabled, so when I entered your page nothing happened. All I got was a blank browser window. If I had just dropped by the site from Google or somewhere else I would then have left the page assuming it was broken, and I think most other people would have done the same. If you decide to keep the pop-up at least add a note on the first page telling the user that a pop-up was supposed to have been opened.

Once I got into the page it didn't work. The flash movie loaded and after clicking through the splash screen(which you don't need either) all I got was a big picture off a bee...

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chooklaglouz
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate

From: Paris - FRance
Insane since: Apr 2003

IP logged posted posted 04-21-2003 03:59 Edit Quote

well thanx
but i really need a popup window unless you know a cross browser/platform way to change the properties (like noscrolls, noresize,notoolbars, nomenubars(all that is very non neutral, non standard sized shit that screws my frameset away)) of a directly called window...
if you saw the bee only, without nav, you were not seeing it with a proper rez
ok for the too bigness of 1280/1024, don't push mummy too much in the weeds...

peace anyways, i'll think about what you say

nobody is ever happy, do some fullscreen and one will come to say fullscreen stinks.
do some popup (one poor popup) and another will come to say he disabled popups (like most of people does) becoause popups take his nerves...

i wonder what i can do to please you more my lordz


Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

IP logged posted posted 04-21-2003 07:27 Edit Quote
quote:
i wonder what i can do to please you more my lordz



Well, for starters, you could stop using "z" instead of "s" and "x" instead of "ks".

Seriously, though, consider designing for the medium. I've always thought of web design as a way of expressing my ideas through the medium, rather than trying to make the medium fit my ideas. There is a subtle--but important--difference there.

Anyway, if you're OK with this site being accessible to a very limited audience, then I don't see any problem with it. If you drop it in here for review, though, expect to get comments on the site from the point of view of the average to upper-average web user. Learn from each comment, whether or not you actually implement a change because of it, and respect the time and effort people have put into their reviews.

But you are right that you can't please everyone at the same time. In the end, if your target audience is satisfied, then you have succeeded.




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Dracusis
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Brisbane, Australia
Insane since: Apr 2001

IP logged posted posted 04-21-2003 14:04 Edit Quote

Ok, I'm not gonna be as nice as Suho...

Start designing for the *web* and stop making excuses. It's a simple fact that things like full screen and pop-up windows annoy people. Web browsers have address bars, tool bars and all that "not standard shit" because their usefull and people get annoyed when you take it away from them. Your designs should be coded so that they will work with the web browser instead of against it. I don't think it's the browser vendors fault for making their toolbar 2px wider than their competetor, i think it's your failing as a designer to compotently design around these issues.

Am I being Hush? Definatly, but after 22 posts you still don't seem to see what everyone else sees. Your site isn't exempt from these simple facts and no design will be strong enough to overshadow the removal of the users core functionality. Think about the sites you visit and use most often, do they use pop-up windows and remove your browsers toolbars?... I doubt it. So if you don't seem to have an attraction to sites with a limited ammount of functionality why should you expect others to think it's ok for your site to do this?



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