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BeeKay
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: North Carolina mountains
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posted posted 12-27-2002 16:00

http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/12/27/human.cloning/index.html

Will be an interesting few days as we wait for independent verification.

Want to live forever?

quote:
Claude Vorilhon, who founded the Raelians, told CNN in July 2001 that the long-term goal for human cloning is to live forever. Vorilhon says cloning a baby is only the first step: Eventually the group wants to learn how to clone an adult, then "transfer the brain to the clone."



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Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
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posted posted 12-27-2002 16:10

LOL - I was just going to drop this news item in too. They claim they'll offer evidence but unless independent scientists are given the access to take samples there will always be doubt. The Raelians are also mad as hatters

See also:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2608655.stm

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WebShaman
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posted posted 12-27-2002 16:36

Hmmm...well. If it's true, then it has happened faster than I thought...and gives more food for thought to the 'soul' question..esp. if you replace the brain, into the new 'cloned' body...assuming that was possible (which, as far as I know, is not). Would the body then have two souls? Or does the soul follow the brain?

Would the person then legally still be the same person? I wonder if the fingerprints are the same? Do cloned humans have the same fingerprints? If so, this could become a real problem...the same DNA, the same fingerprints...think of the criminal possibilities...esp. if there where hundreds of clones running around...

Petskull
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posted posted 12-27-2002 18:00

http://www.raelian.com


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BeeKay
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From: North Carolina mountains
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posted posted 12-27-2002 18:14

Nope, clones apparently won't have same fingerprints:

quote:
Question:
Would my clone have the same fingerprints as I do?

William Morgan is a professor of Cellular & Structural Biology at the University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio. He answers:

This is a very good question. The short answer is no. Identical twins do not have the same fingerprint pattern, and neither would clones. The reason is that fingerprint pattern is not entirely genetically determined. Rather, fingerprint pattern is determined in part by the pattern of nerve growth into the skin, and this is not exactly the same even in identical twins.



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Petskull
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posted posted 12-27-2002 18:33

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/graphics/entertainment/clone.htm


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WebShaman
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posted posted 12-27-2002 20:39

Hmmm...still, just wear a pair of gloves...and DNA evidence becomes a problem...'Oh no judge, that wasn't me...that was my evil clone...'

Petskull
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posted posted 12-27-2002 21:48

...one of them, anyway...


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warjournal
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posted posted 12-27-2002 22:36

Hey! Leave these kinds of post to me in Philo and Silliness! BeeKay beat me to it. :sniff:

Anyways, this could get very interesting, especially when the DNA tests are done. I'm sure people will say that the DNA shows a clone, and others will say that the DNA got botched. Creditors and discreditors. I don't even want to start specualating about the religious factions and what they will have to say about this.

Headless humans and home-grown individual organs will be coming pretty soon.

Can you imagine what this will do for "sexually confused" and gay folks? Imagine being able to get a sex change on the molecular level. You know, swapping X and Y chromosomes shouldn't prove difficult for those willing to pay. I can hear it now, "But, Emps, I had the sex change last time we wanted a child. It's your turn to bear one."



Emperor
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From: Cell 53, East Wing
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posted posted 12-27-2002 22:59

This news thread has been cloned:
www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum17/HTML/000601.html

I'd suggest closing this one and focusing the discussion down in P&S.

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BeeKay
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posted posted 12-28-2002 04:30

Thought-provoking little fiction here:

The Extra

(edit: can this thread be moved rather than closed? Lots of good discussion so far that I would hate to cut off.)

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[This message has been edited by BeeKay (edited 12-28-2002).]

njuice42
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From: Gig Harbor, WA
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posted posted 12-28-2002 04:40

Here we go folks, hang on and enjoy the ride down. Wee!

Bah... clones...

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Petskull
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posted posted 12-28-2002 13:06

ok, ok... move it along.... nothing to see here...

try looking in the 'Philosophy and Silliness' Forum...


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InI
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posted posted 12-28-2002 13:41

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

Emperor
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posted posted 12-28-2002 16:58

OK so you too could get a clone for £140,000 - now if I set up a PayPal account and things got a bit viral I reckon could easily get that money together as long as I moved quickly as I can't be the first one mulling this over

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WebShaman
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posted posted 12-30-2002 12:13

Yes, this religous 'cult', if you will, is certainly bizarre...but. With current advances in technology, one can see, that with enough money, and commitment, astonishing things are possible...one has to consider, that one of their goals, is immortality...and if the cloning is real, then they are not all that far from this goal...just need to solve the brain transplant problem...

So, what if they do? Chistopher Reeve has already proven, that it is possible to 'regenerate' damaged spinal nerve tissue...against all odds...and that the brain can retain 'memory' of moving body parts after such a trauma...so, the next step is actual repair of such injuries...and fast recovery...not so far-fetched. Could be, that the solution (or treatment) is not all that far off...and then?

What if the process works? What if, by the time the cloned person is, say, 18 (in 18 years...), this technology exists? Imagine the impact, that such an event would have. Once loose in the world, you'll never get this particular thing back in the box, again. There are just too many powerful, rich, influencial people that wouldn't allow that...and are probably watching these events very, very closely...someone, for example, like Bill Gates...with more money, than he'll ever need...but what if his money can buy immortality? Think he would blink an eye? How about some third-world Dictator? When money is not an issue, and morality isn't either...as long as the technology exists, it will be used...

Food for thought...

bodhi23
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From: Greensboro, NC USA
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posted posted 12-30-2002 21:25

All of my science fiction movie watching is starting to catch up with real life... I typed my response to the cloning issue here if you're interested.

Whatever the medical benefits that may be, cloning a human being as a whole being for the sake of someone's science experiment is wrong. Ethically, morally wrong. Does that person have rights? Get to make independent choices? Have a chance to have a normal, real human life like all the rest of us? No. And never will. Not with our media hanging around. Someone's science project...

I don't see anything wrong with growing cloned organs, or body parts or that sort of thing... Barring that I don't think that we really need to be extending the lives of the people currently in residence on the planet Earth what with our current birth-rate and all... But an entire human? Just to see what would happen? Just wrong I say.

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BeeKay
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: North Carolina mountains
Insane since: Dec 2000

posted posted 01-03-2003 18:24

And the game continues ... http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/01/03/clone.claims/index.html

Rael now doesn't want the baby to have a DNA test. Hmmmmmmm ...

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