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WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 05-02-2003 10:15

Woohooo! Now that is what I call a breakthrough - Ageing monkeys unlock the secret of staying young. Wow, that is exciting...

pink
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: wales
Insane since: Mar 2003

posted posted 05-02-2003 12:11

Its so sad

quote:
Science said adding that, "[Gaba] could be bigger than Viagra and drug companies are already drooling: a treatment that turns back time on the ageing brain and makes old neurons act young again."



And mean while in the 3rd world countries there dying because the drug companies would rather spend on this kind of thing instead of helping the families afford drugs for dying children.




[This message has been edited by pink (edited 05-03-2003).]

WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 05-02-2003 12:22

Heh. Money rules...that's capitalism.

*shrugs*

Re-juvenate my brain!

asptamer
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: The Lair
Insane since: Apr 2003

posted posted 05-02-2003 14:14

I wonder if it would fix the damaged, not simply old neurons : ) that'd be very popular too...

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 05-02-2003 15:28

So, WS, getting worried about your aging brain there, eh?

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 05-02-2003 16:30

Stick with ECT - it puts the zing in 'amazing' and.... urmmmm................ the current in 'currently good for aging (largely as it kills you off young)'.

~wanders of singing 'gabba gabba hey'~

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norm
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: [s]underwater[/s] under-snow in Juneau
Insane since: Sep 2002

posted posted 05-02-2003 17:11

GABA has an interesting relationship with both endogenous endorphin levels and HGH. A reduction in GABA results in a decreased production of both of those substances. If HGH levels are increased, GABA levels also increase. If GABA levels are increased, HGH production rises.

As a competitive bodybuilder, I played around with supplimental GABA in the early '90s. I never noticed any memory improvement, but then I very rarely had to count over 8 anyway.....

Moon Dancer
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: The Lost Grove
Insane since: Apr 2003

posted posted 05-03-2003 05:41
quote:
And mean while in the 3rd world countries there dying because the drug companies would rather spend on this kind of thing in stead of helping the families afford drugs for dying children.



So, does that mean the drug companies should halt pursuit on treatments and cures for Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, MS, all the cancers, Huntington's, etc... just because people in third world countries are dying of malaria, dysentery, cholera and other utterly preventable diseases? These are the sicknesses that most people in underdeveloped countries die from. Wouldn't it behoove us better to teach these people about proper hygeine and provide assistance (both financially and technologically) for better sanitation? Why does the responsibility have to be on the drug companies?

I think this GABA thing is an amazing breakthrough. I don't think it absurd in the least that drug companies would want to research this further. Here's another article on the subject... this one states the university is seeking patents on compounds.

pink
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: wales
Insane since: Mar 2003

posted posted 05-03-2003 14:08

Nope i didn't mean that at all. They advertised it as a gimmick pill, as big as viagra. I hope it does help the aged, except if we go into this side of things won't there be to many old people living, an inbalance approaching.?

Personally i would rather see more money spend on the young, and treatment for AIDS and conditions like chronic myeloid leukaemia be cheaper in other countries.
If you saw the programme i did, even though is was not representing ALL the facts fairly, certainly raised alot points that need to be addressed about the morals of BIG PHARMA.

http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/326/7396/990?etoc

Thats was the summary of the programme and some issues raised.

quote:
Wouldn't it behoove us better to teach these people about proper hygeine and provide assistance (both financially and technologically) for better sanitation



Your absolutely right. But there are other diseases that need treating to.
There is a big difference between reasonable profit and Obscene profit , now is it right that NORVIS charge $19 a capsule for imatinib (Glivec) But a Indian generics company can make it for $1 a capsule.?
The same for a 12 year old boy dying of aids but had thrush is his mouth, he needed fluconazole (Diflucan) in Honduras Pfizer sell for $29 a capsule. In Guatemala they sell it for $0.30. So a doctor, or health worker goes over the border to risk imprisonment to obtain the drugs they can afford.
I agree that generic companies dont have the marketing costs etc. so they can make cheaper drugs .........but as i have read these drugs companies dont reveal exactly how much it costs to develope drugs. Also they have sharholders to keep happy. In my book, health and share holders are not a nice mix. There is room for compromise other wise so many would not be campaigning for fair trade.

The generic companies , i think i'm not 100% sure, are being made to patent their drugs, so the cheap drugs that some in the 3rd world can afford will be no longer.


Personally i don't happen to think this is right, and will campaign against it.


Moon Dancer
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: The Lost Grove
Insane since: Apr 2003

posted posted 05-03-2003 22:30

Pink- There is nothing in GABA research thus far that says it will extend the life of a person. The only thing it currently even suggests is that it may improve the living condition. Spending money on cures for ailments of the young will do nothing more than create more old people- feeding into your "imbalance."

In my previous post I stated all the cancers. This includes chronic myleoid leukemia. Imatinib, one of the treatments for this cancer is one of those rare exceptions in the drug industry where it skipped a large portion of the clinical trial phase. The FDA has approved it for use as a first line treatment of CML. Now, there are only about 40,000 (source) people in the US currently suffering from CML. This is not an insignificant number but neither is it terribly significant either. Standard <A HREF="http://www.drugdigest.org/DD/DVH/HowToTake/0,3919,550246

Gilbert Nolander
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Washington DC
Insane since: May 2002

posted posted 05-04-2003 00:18

-awesome-

{edit-I figure I should add something more that just the word awesome, so umm...super awesome.}

[This message has been edited by Gilbert Nolander (edited 05-04-2003).]

Dracusis
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Brisbane, Australia
Insane since: Apr 2001

posted posted 05-04-2003 01:06

But I wanna be a demented grumpy old man...

-the kind that sits on his front porch all day long (add old wooden rocking chair for effect) and yells at any pesky kids that come try and get their ball outa my yard and stuff. Oh yeah, dem be da days...


Well, everyone's gotta have something realistic to look forward to.

norm
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: [s]underwater[/s] under-snow in Juneau
Insane since: Sep 2002

posted posted 05-04-2003 02:03

personally, I'm looking forward to being a Mean Old Bastard.....I'll be in the last year of my 30s next week, so I've been trying to get all the practice I can.

hum..... M.O.B.
That has a certain ring to it!

WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 05-05-2003 12:29

Well, nobody is forcing you two to take the pills, right?

Me, I'm gonna go beat up on those teenagers when I'm over 90+ in chess...hehe...'Woooweee! You just got a load of an ass-kickin' from an old geezer, you loser!'

And think on video games...and how they might be by then...you'll want to have a keen mind, to play'em!

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