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Gilbert Nolander
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From: Washington DC
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posted posted 10-27-2003 18:17

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wrayal
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Cranleigh, Surrey, England
Insane since: May 2003

posted posted 10-27-2003 18:24

Sorry to be a pedant, but smoking's not really like taking small doses of poison!
If you take small doses of a poison repeatedly, it doesn't kill you slowly. In fact, it helps your immune system build up a resistance to it. By taking small, regular doses of poison, you can actually become totally resistant to it.

Sorry!

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Gilbert Nolander
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From: Washington DC
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posted posted 10-27-2003 18:26

Not all poison's work like that, the chemicals in food additives for example, and the chemicals in cig's for second example.

An article a friend just sent me reminded me of the religious aspect of this issue.
Here is the creationist side of it ---> link

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DL-44
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posted posted 10-27-2003 20:13

That we are very similar is obvious, and studies have show for a long time how close our DNA is.

But our DNA is also very similar to that of mice....are mice to be called humna too?

It has less to do with ego and more to do with basic reality...

Of course, whenever issues like this arise, people always point to the "bad" that humans do and seem to ignore any negative traits in the animal in question....
People want to call the chimp human, but at the same time attribute any negativity to the chimp "just being an animal".



Schitzoboy
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posted posted 10-27-2003 20:28

So which poisons CAN you build a resistance too? I need to know so I can be prepared when I become a secret 00 agent. =)

wrayal
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From: Cranleigh, Surrey, England
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posted posted 10-27-2003 20:35

Im not sure how all the classifying is supposed to work, but really, how can chimps be classed as humans? Homo Sapiens are humans. Surely our ancestors, more accepted as being part of the homo line, are never referred to as humans; they are invariably pre-human. Evolution gone bad? Perhaps. Harming other species on the planet? Perhaps. I know nobody has yet, but please, nobody say that we are actually harming the planet itself! (I know its coming )
As a non-believer (I used to believe, but not anymore), I find the idea that God created chimps in his image quite laughable. Adam and eve are depicted as having homo sapiens standard intellect. It is clear that chimps do not have a language as evolved as ours (and therefore Adam and Eve's). And don't suggest they "de-evolved" - that would stop them being chimps! Ergo, Adam and eve were not chimps - we arenot evolved from chimps. Or we have found another problem with the Bible, which makes it even more of a farce (no religious offence intended - it is just that the Bible is repeatedly and distinctly self-contradoictory)

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Emperor
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posted posted 10-27-2003 20:55

I'm afraid genetcists get too big for their boots every now and again.

Taxonomy (not the studiy of the inmate formally known as taxon) and cladistics, etc. are a very well established science and it is a lot easier when the species being studied are actually alive. Species, genus, etc. are assigned through various techniques like reproductive incompatibility and physical characteristics - genetic closeness tells us a bit about species realtionships but should never be the main characteristics for defining this kind of thing.

I think if you checked back from the news over the years you'd find some excitable soul gets some results and gets in the news trying to rewrite everything - it rarely washes with anyone outside their lab or who are pushing various agendas (like extending human rights to chimps - lets make sure we are applying human rights to other humans before we start looking around for other species to drag on baord our s(t)inking ship).

In fact hasn't this very topic come up before?

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DL-44
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From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted posted 10-28-2003 02:44

Yes, a very similar one did. In fact you brought it up last time

And, of course, I had meant to include a tidbit about the large difference between genetics and taxonomy in regard to classification of species, but apparently it didn't make into my post.... =)

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Or we have found another problem with the Bible, which makes it even more of a farce



Well....yeah....? Would that be hard to believe? If there were a god, and I can as easily see him/her making chimps in his own image as humans.
Perhaps planet of the apes is more a reality than we all think

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