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Anyone up for some well polished propaganda?
http://www.bushin30seconds.org/

It'd be great if it could open some eyes and minds.
And at least, it shows some well done/directed ads and will bring a necessary counter power in the media coverage of the forthcoming election.



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Some of those ads are nicely done. Interesting contest



Amerasu

Some nice work in there... Good job applying their spin. But...

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...is just about right.

I hear that spin is counterclockwise in the southern hemisphere.

In regards to;

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Is that a reference to Bush, the commercials, or the site?

Or, is to indicate that Having M. Moore as a judge will keep the winning commercial somewhere left of reality, in a toilet?

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Bleah...

Yes

I quite liked the content myself. "Imagine" was my fave. I can't wait to see the back of Bush and this administration.

Amerasu

Just a question from someone who doesn't follow politics very closly.

Would the content of those ads be mostly true or mostly false?

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tj333- the semi-Christ

... hah!

Some of them are done really well...

Sound like jokes to me though.

tj333, honestly it really comes down to who you choose to believe. I will tell you that most of what you get on those ads is gross exagerration bording on outright falsehoods... but do you trust my word on that? Or do you trust someone else here who will tell you the exact opposite of what I just said? Please use this as an example of why it is so important that *you* be informed about the issues politics seeks to solve. Take in a wide variety of news sources and formulate your own opinions about the veracity of the crap you see on that site... um... did I say crap?

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Bugimus: Since I'm the only one who approved the content of these ads, I guess I'm the "someone else" you didn't name.

Let me precise that I "partially" approve the content. I say that 'coz there's some facts ( mainly the financial and social situation in the USA ) on which I have really little knowledge. Nonetheless there's several points that can not be ignored i.e. the lies around the war in Iraq, the patriot-act, the US withdraw from ABM treaty, the rejection of the Kyoto Treaty by the USA



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Bugs: Could you be more specific about the crap? An awful lot of the information there has come up here:
http://www.ozoneasylum.com/Forum17/HTML/000998.html



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You know how it works, politics is a game. Take any particular event and I'll spin it to the right and you will spin it to the left, generally speaking. Obviously, there are topics where we will agree, but as a general rule it's about viewing issues from different sets of guidelines.

Emps, but so much of what is posted in the "Taking Liberties" thread is very biased. You quote regularly from a Left wing newspaper. (which is fine by me as long as we're clear on the biases involved) I don't post as much but when I do it is from publications that spin the other direction. For just about every point you bring up about how Bush is a creep, I can make a case for him being a great aleader. I know it makes a lot of people sick to hear that but you don't know how often I have to hurl when I hear the scathing attacks on a good man.

Look, the only attack that has any merit is probably the environment. The administration clearly doesn't buy into the environmentalist agenda. But the economy is getting stronger by the day, the war on terror is going far better than I had anticipated, the tax cuts have helped ease the tax burden on *everyone* who pays taxes in this country, Bush is spending far *more* than he should on education, and the president's approval rating is still rather positive. This is a far cry different from the synopsis you'll find on the "Why We're Doing This" page.

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Just a question from someone who doesn't follow politics very closly.

Would the content of those ads be mostly true or mostly false?

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The two sites below take a look at Bush from two perspectives, left and right for want of better terms. I came across them last night on Snopes.

Left http://idontfeelsogood.blogspot.com/2003_08_01_idontfeelsogood_archive.html
Right: http://www.crossbearer.com/resume/The_Truth.pdf

I'd say yes, the content of the ads is basically true with the usual amount of campaign flourish and vitriol thrown in (which the republicans also do). I'm on the left of the political spectrum so to me, moveon.org are promoting the good way

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Amerasu

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Bugs: I think your bloody nuts!! You put your US economy over our god/nature given envioroment?.. and war as a solution to anything.. What would your god say about that I wonder? I have never met a Christian like you befor.



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Don't mix religion with politics.

"Nothin' like a pro-stabbin' from a pro." -Weadah

Bugs: As usual you are correct - a lot of the information (esp. on the war and the motivation of various policies) could be taken various ways - I am curious to know how you feel about the trillions of dollars of debt being built up and the poor state of the dollar?

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What.. are you telling me that god has nothing to do with mans affairs and should stand aside when world changing events are dicussed? Don't mix religon with politics? So is politics life without god? Is that what you are saying? Like god must shuttup while you busily go about messing the planet up? I actually agree that politic and religon should not mix.. cos maybe politics should not exist at all..

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Main Entry: pol·i·tics
Pronunciation: 'pä-l&-"tiks
Function: noun plural but singular or plural in construction
Etymology: Greek politika, from neuter plural of politikos political
Date: circa 1529
1 a : the art or science of government b : the art or science concerned with guiding or influencing governmental policy c : the art or science concerned with winning and holding control over a government
2 : political actions, practices, or policies
3 a : political affairs or business; especially : competition between competing interest groups or individuals for power and leadership (as in a government) b : political life especially as a principal activity or profession c : political activities characterized by artful and often dishonest practices
4 : the political opinions or sympathies of a person
5 a : the total complex of relations between people living in society b : relations or conduct in a particular area of experience especially as seen or dealt with from a political point of view <office politics>

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Yes your right... light and dark should not be mixed...

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What.. are you telling me that god has nothing to do with mans affairs and should stand aside when world changing events are dicussed? Don't mix religon with politics? So is politics life without god? Is that what you are saying? Like god must shuttup while you busily go about messing the planet up? I actually agree that politic and religon should not mix.. cos maybe politics should not exist at all..

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Not everyone believes in gods. I certainly don't and I'd rather not see religion and politics mixed at all. If you want to worship, then go right ahead, just don't inject your religion(s) into the governing of a diverse group of people.

Amerasu

methinks this thread should be moved to the Silliness forum.



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Ok then.. ..this has nothing to do with religeon..

US has only 5% of the worlds population but cause over a quarter of the worlds global warming emissions and pollutants and show no intention of slowing down. At this rate scientists say that 1,000,000 species of animals and other life forms will be wiped out from this planet in the next 20 years. Great dam policies you have there. But hey as long as the US population have cash in their pockets and food in their already over fat bellies and fat cars in their driveways it's all good.

There is something seriously wrong with a people that allow this to happen, and don't tell me that it will be changed by voting and intellectual debate and civilised discussion and democratic crap.. as that's been going on for ever and never changed a single thing... Many think religious people are blind.. but I this kind political thinking is the grossest form of self deception there is.



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This is about the answer that I somewhat expected then.

It is as true/bad as who you ask and how you look at it.

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I guess my problem with this, is Michael Moore as one of the Judges. His Documentaries are actually Docudramas. They are NOT objective. The way he edits things are misleading at best, and downright lies at worst. I can only guess as to the leanings of the other judges, but I can guarantee that they are not very close to centered.

The legitimacy of any position is challenged by polarization. When taken to the extreme left or right, neither has any chance of showing us what is real. Bush is not a Saint, and neither is he a Demon. However, demonizing him will not make the opposing candidates any better. It will be another choice of 'the lesser of two evils'.

Although, adding M. Moore's slanted demonilogistic© rantings will alienate many centric voters. I imagine that anyone he supports will be hindered by such an association. I wonder if he may just be working for the 'Bush People'. By being such a whiney, self righteous twit, he makes whatever he says suspect. Many people will believe that if Mickey Moore is saying it, it cant be all true...


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Politics: the art or science concerned with winning and holding control over a government
Religion: the art or science concerned with winning and holding control over a populace

I can't make out the light for the dark.


Psst!

I agree that Michael Moore is a bit tainted but I'm not entirely sure it's all merited. I've read the paper by David Harley critiquing Bowling for Columbine and I've also read the counter argument here. I think they both make valid points.

I haven't read his books.


Amerasu

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Well stuff my ass and call me a turkey, I thought this was going to be a "how to pick up chicks" thread.

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"Nothin' like a pro-stabbin' from a pro." -Weadah

Umm Unknown. It's not just Michael Moore, all the judges lean to the left. It's the point of the whole contest. They're not judging politics, they're judging TV ads for effectiveness a job Michael Moore is extremely talented for.



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Ok, so I have been pretty laid back in the past here, but I am going to let myself loose this time. You may hate me when it's over, but I don't care. You know how Suho likes to do stream of consciousness critiques, well here is a little stream of my consciousness. If you are easily offended and take things to heart, I suggest you skip this one, because I ain't holding back.

I come here to get away from the world and always seem to get sucked into these discussions one way or another, I just can't resist when I see Americans(the people not the country) being attacked. There is enough arguing in the world, and the news is enough to both piss a person off and severely depress them at the same time, regardless of what angle it comes from. My opinion of a person is never dented in any way because of political or religious views, unless extreme, like supporting Pedophiles like the ACLU. The ACLU should be burned to the ground IMO. Anyone who supports NAMBLA should burn as should the organization itself.

I know that I can't change anything, I am a nobody who makes a measly 25k a year and my one vote don't count for dick. Not when there are corporations spending billions of dollars on their candidates. The world is run by rich "silver-spoon in their mouth" morons who have no concept of anything because they have had everything served to them on a silver platter their entire lives (Yeah, Bush fits right in there).

He pissed me off enough with his Immigration Reform proposal that I am starting to dislike him. I am fine with Iraq, and could care less about the supposed lies, but I am just about fucking tired of all the money we send to other countries, all of whom hate us. You know what I think. To hell with the rest of the world. Use the money to fix this fucking country first. So the economy is one the rise? Big deal, that just means more fucking taxes and more handouts.

You show me a man who has had dirt kicked in his face all his life, is pissed on, shit on, and basically raped in the ass, yet struggles on to support his 5 kids and wife, that's who I want to vote for. Someone in touch with reality. Real people who know the value of a dollar and have worked their way up from NOTHING. That is integrity, that is character. The days of Ivy League politians and multi-billion dollar corporations lobbying needs to go or the world will never fucking change.

Do I like George Bush?

My answer is yes and no. I support the war in Iraq, that's pretty much it lately. I don't support doling out money like candy to unappreciative foreigners while I watch my country's social and economic system degrade to shit. I don't agree with granting immunity to illegal aliens who steal our fucking jobs and should't be here in the first place. Break the law, get citizenship. Here is what needs done, stop giving lazy human trash welfare, and fill those immigrant jobs with Americans. Make them work, give them no other choice. If they refuse, kick em out or let them resort to crime and lock their asses up where they belong in the first place. Stop giving people rewards for being lazy mother fuckers. I love to drive to work and see some lowlife sitting on his front stoop sucking on a crack pipe waiting for his welfare check so he can buy more while his kids go to school without winter coats. People are lazy here, and a lot of the blame can be placed on the government who supports them. And if the liberals have their way, it'll only get worse.

I am also tired of those same people complaining they don't get a fair shake, that is pure BS. Another excuse for the lazy intoxicated trash which comprises 25% of the population. And don't think I am pointing at specific minorities, as their are plenty of low life whites as well.

I do not like that Bush, although only one man, is blamed for EVERYTHING, as if there isn't an entire governmental system around him fucking up too. He's the president, it must be his fault right. Sure yeah, he fucks up too, he is human. But the support system around him is also screwing up. The world is a different place now than it was when Podunk Bill was in office, and I am sure anybody in that position today would be taking just as much heat. Why? Because since 9/11 people watch the news more often, some who never watched it their entire lives now watch religiously. People who for years didn't care what went on around them are finding out what DOES go on and they are pissed, shocked and want change. This goes for both ends of the spectrum, everybody is pissed. This backlash would have been placed on Gore too had he taken office.

Do I like any of the so-called presidential candidates who only whine and moan like pissy little babies, HELL NO! They all have their own agendas and could give 2 shits about the common man.

What is my choice, I just ain't gonna vote, cause they are all liars one way or another. They make false promises so they can get elected, same as you might boost yourself while on a job interview, although hopefully not to that degree. And what happends when it turns out you can't do the job? Same thing needs to happen with politics. If public opinion drops below 50%, fire their ass!! You failed, you're out! I think we should take a lesson from California.

I am also tired of being penalized because I smoke. Tax me to death, then give the money to doctors so they can pay their malpractice insurance. As far as I'm concerned, nobody should be given anything, EARN IT YOUR DAMN SELF, I had to. Handouts only lower motivation, and that is a very very bad trend that is only getting worse. So what if I smoke, I know its bad for me and I choose to anyway, that's free will, and I don't need some fat bastard like Meathead telling me what to do. Why the hell do I need to pay $43 buck for cigarettes, when the actual cost of manufacturing is a few bucks? Because these rich assholes throw it all away, and when supply is short, tax some more. It's a quick and simple solution that has been used far too long.

Seems nice and quiet up there in Canada, maybe I should go there. Although I'm sure they hate us too.

Why don't we all just push the button already and be done with this increasingly rapid downward spiral.

Oh, about the ads, I think some of them hold a lot of merit, but I am not too stupid to recognize exagerration. I'd like to see one of those desktops done for some of the other so-called candidates.

That ends my silliness ramble for the week. I hope I came across as the intolerant sonofabitch that I am.

One last note to a comment from Xpirex:

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But hey as long as the US population have cash in their pockets and food in their already over fat bellies and fat cars in their driveways it's all good.

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I am not one to throw insults back, but why don't you get off your high horse and suck it.




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The ads are funny! Thanks.

I like "Desktop."

Do something about that twisted place you live in.. that overindulgent cesspit infested hole... that stolen place you call your America and I might... I am sick to the teeth of hearing about US this and US that.. fucking up everything there is to fuck up.. in everyones dam face all the dam time.. you destroy everything you touch. Your opinions reek. ..close your borders.. scan your own dam retinas.. Immigrants??? you are all immigrants.. The glory days are coming to an end. Sit behind your fence and tremble.



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From an artistic and creative standpoint, the work isn't too bad. I think the subject matter sucks. Not because it is anti-Bush, simply because they are political. I hate election years. A whole year of being bombarded by political ads that offer nothing of the truth... regardless of which side of the political spectum the candidates fall. I don't watch much television to begin with. Election years, I watch even less. The whole debacle makes me nauseous. I got through all but three of the entries... and I just couldn't watch anymore.

Attention getting hyperbole... I suppose what more can you ask from a media that has spoon fed society into a soundbyte craving mass? May all political advertisors rot. Someone remind me to plug my TV back in when 2005 rolls around.

Ramasax: I can second just about everything you said.

Xpiriex: Just a few words of advice. Turn off your TV if you don't like what it says. Cancel your Newspaper subscriptions if you don't like reading what they have to say. Maybe, just maybe in your dark little tantrum, you can open your mind a little and see a few of the good things the US has done for the world. I know that might be asking a bit much, but just remember there are a large number of people in the US that are not demonic evildoers out to conquer the world. I realize I'm probably wasting my breath (as it were), the US is not perfect, far from it... Just keep in mind that the US is the product of its immigrants... in a very broad sense, the entire world is responsible for what the US has become. One other thing... No. We are not all immigrants. One has to actively move from one country to another to become an Immigrant. Look far enough back in your own family's history and I am sure you will find that they were not all native to whatever country you live in.

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Do something about that twisted place you live in.. that overindulgent cesspit infested hole... that stolen place you call your America and I might... I am sick to the teeth of hearing about US this and US that.. fucking up everything there is to fuck up.. in everyones dam face all the dam time.. you destroy everything you touch. Your opinions reek. ..close your borders.. scan your own dam retinas.. Immigrants??? you are all immigrants.. The glory days are coming to an end. Sit behind your fence and tremble.

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1. I don't live in a tree so my home isn't twisted. Actually, it's rather blocky.
2. Which America?
3. If you're "sick to the teeth", I suggest you see a dentist.
4. I'm an entrepreneurial creative. I don't think I destroy everything I touch... I like to think that I do more creation than destruction.
5. Unless I just ate something smelly, I don't understand how my opinions could "reek."
6. I prefer not to use borders in my designs, however, sometimes they just look really good!
7. I don't know why I need to scan my retinas...
8. The modern concept of an "immigrant" is quite primitive and far too selective. We are simply humans and we are native to Earth... as far as we know.
9. Oh, the glory days... Sorry, I've never seen those.
10. The only reason why I'd tremble behind my fence is if the air was cold. Even then, I'm smart enough to return inside my home and put on a jacket.


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*laughs at Xpired*

Did you not heed my warning at the top of my previous post? See, you took it to heart, and lookie what you went and did, only solidified my point that you are ignorant.

Say all you want about this government, I don't care, and might even agree occasionally. But what the fuck do YOU know about the common US citizen? Answer that. In your face? Damn fucking right I'm in your face when you show such blind hatred toward my people, my family and my friends. The people whom I know and love. The majority here just want to live their fucking lives, as do you, but you seem to believe that we are all in on this huge conspiracy to take over the world.

You know, I could say a lot more, but I won't. What's the point? I see how deep your hatred runs from the spittle flying from your wonderfully eloquent post. That truly saddens me, it really really does.

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Of course, I agree...

No one has the whole story. But, of those I know, there is always a chuckle about him. He's two faced. When questioned about truth, he says "It's just Entertainment", but then accepts an oscar for a documentary with the righteousness of a gospel preacher. Which is it? ...'Entertainment' or 'Factual Reporting'? It ends up being neither.


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Moondancer: I don't hate the common man.. the humble citizen.. the kids the family the friends.. But see the way that guy above reacts.. I voice a strong opinion about the US system and govermental attitude and stance and the societys indifference and and he thinks I'm a threat to his family!!! Thats what I hate... that must mean either all his family menbers, kids, friends all must work for the US goverment... or he is using the same twisted strategy they use... abiut the whole dam world being a threat to the beloved fucking squatted homeland.

What do I see as the only good or interesting thing to come out of America? ..Jazz.. that it.. nothing else..

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I don't hate the common man.. the humble citizen.. the kids the family the friends.. But see the way that guy above reacts.. I voice a strong opinion about the US system and govermental attitude and stance and the societys indifference and and he thinks I'm a threat to his family!!! Thats what I hate... that must mean either all his family menbers, kids, friends all must work for the US goverment... or he is using the same twisted strategy they use... abiut the whole dam world being a threat to the beloved fucking squatted homeland.

What do I see as the only good or interesting thing to come out of America? ..Jazz.. that it.. nothing else..

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This thread isn't about hate, etc. It's about political ads. Talk about 'em or shut up.

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