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gman
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From: UK
Insane since: Jun 2001

posted posted 06-03-2001 00:47

Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew what a cgi-bin was and if there are any tuts anywhere on WYSIWYG asp programming?

btw: Im a 3D artist so Im lost in cgi-bins and wot-not.

-G

..."I killed Paul Allen with an axe. And I like it"

DL-44
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From: under the bed
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posted posted 06-03-2001 01:09

This is a 'whatever you need to know' site. Literally. Web Design? Yeah, we do that too

However, you may want to head over to the 'server side scripting' section for questions on cgi and asp and all......


{{{edit - moved the thread to the server-side-scripting area for everyone's convenience }}}



[This message has been edited by DL-44 (edited 06-03-2001).]

JakeB
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From: us
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posted posted 06-03-2001 01:19

this is the photoshop part of the fourm, but since you're new no one will probably care.

the cgi-bin is a folder where cgi scripts are put. i don't know anything about cgi-scripting. Do you have any specific questions like 'how do i make a questbook' or 'how do i make popup's from my gallery'? If you give more details you can get a lot of help.

when you goto http://www.ozoneasylum.com the topic 'Server-Side Scripting - oh my!' is where you should post cgi questions.

a lot of people here don't like WYSIWYG editers, they like hand coding everything. It may seem hard at first, but it really helps. it makes your pages smaller, you can control them better, and you can make sure they are cross browser. If you want to try and learn how to hand code you can use notepad or Max's HTML beauty. (not only is it good, it's free too)

at the bottom of this page is some links to some sites. Hand's on is photoshop, and the guru's network is everything. They have a cgi/perl tutorial here


and the associates links probably have tutorials on their sites too.

gman
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From: UK
Insane since: Jun 2001

posted posted 06-03-2001 02:11

Oh yeah, 'photoshop forum', sorry guys, I didnt realise,
Thanks for the links Jakeb. I have major problems with corss browser, mainly with layers, but I have made my site so it's staying as is, however Ive got a new site (.com, 350mb, 2.5gb per month bandwidth) And since the new site is costing me a fortune I wanna do it right. What I really want is a clean looking and working site a bit like this one for functionality. If you look at my current site ( http://www.ggop.co.uk ) you'll see how sluggish it is because everyhing is basic html and jpegs. I have heard that asp programming is good and that cgi helps. Here's the list of stuff I want on my new site:

Gallery.................... (most important factor) with pop-ups for clicking thumbnails. (dont know the java).
Info on me................., bio etc(simple page).
Guestbook............... (is there an 'auto guestbook' creator you know of?
Forum................. (the forum will be small and used as backup incase www.3dmaxfactor.com goes down) For this I need a FREE forum-do forums use cgi? Ideally a forum similar to this one.
News ............(this is a difficult one, what I need is for there to be a scrolling text box within the page design)

If anyone can help me figure any of these problems out I'd be eternally (well, very!) grateful.

Thanks,

-Gav

..."I killed Paul Allen with an axe. And I like it"

[This message has been edited by gman (edited 06-03-2001).]

Drakkor
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From: Seatte, Warshington, USA
Insane since: Dec 2000

posted posted 06-03-2001 04:45

OOhh, most people here hate ASP, they all swear by PHP, to each their own I suppose, but I like ASP because it's simple (there is a reason they call it BASIC after all). A great site for beginners to learn ASP is w3schools. And there is lots of downloadable examples and source code for any language at planet source code.

As for your forum, you can use cgi, asp, jsp, or any server side scripting language you want.

A word of advice, if you are really that new, take it slow. Start your page out simple (just the 'about me') then add on in steps. If you tackle the whole thing at once you'll most likely run into trouble.

Welcome to the asylum, I'm the only sane one here, but don't tell anyone or I'll have to kill you.

Oh, and Paul Allen isn't dead, I saw him just the other day in the drinking fountain

-D

-It never hurts to always be right-

kevincar
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From: north hills, ca usa
Insane since: Apr 2001

posted posted 06-03-2001 06:05

Welcome, gman

I for one really like your site -
Lots of navigation and depth, and excellent 3-d models. And no, that is not
a horrible photo of yourself... So for god's sake DON'T go putting it on an IIS platform unless you are an expert at COM/DCOM/VB/AFX and a half-dozen
more byzantine acronymn-driven technologies Miscrosoft slams out -

Now... tell us all about the Waterfront club :=)



mr.maX
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From: Belgrade, Serbia
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted posted 06-03-2001 09:18

Gman, you've said that you heared that asp programming is good. Well, there is more than that if you want to use it. Your new web server must have support for asp (you didn't mention anything about this, only how much disk space and bandwidth you get). Also, most people don't really understand what CGI actually is. It's a common gateway interface for server side scripts that can be written in almost any language that is supported by the web server (but, it's mostly PERL). Anyway, to answer your question about forum. If your new web server has support for asp and you have access to a database, you can use Snitz Forums. On the other hand, if your web server has support for CGI scripts written in PERL, you can use IkonBoard.



[This message has been edited by mr.maX (edited 06-03-2001).]

gman
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From: UK
Insane since: Jun 2001

posted posted 06-03-2001 14:45

Thanks for the advice guys.

Here are is the scripting the new host supports :

-Comes with own CGI-BIN
-Support for Perl 5, PHP, mySQL, WAP enabled.

they tell me its an 'Apache' (???) web server.

So because it doesnt say ASP I assume I need to use CGI, I understand that CGI actually has access to write to the server. Iconboard has been downloaded - seems easy enough to install. My main question is: is CGI used ONLY for things such as guestbooks, forums, e-comerce etc. or can it be used for actual web pages?

p.s. I'm glad you liked the design of my first site.

Also Paul Allen is dead, I cut up his body, he's dead I hit him in the face with the axe.

The waterfront: I assume you mean the nightclub. WOW how the hell could you know about that place?? you're not even from the same continent- I had no idea it was famous!! Yes it's okay I guess, I've been there a few times, not the best place in town, I scored there once......fond memories.

..."I killed Paul Allen with an axe. And I like it"

WarMage
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From: Rochester, New York, USA
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 06-03-2001 16:52

Yes in that case you do not have ASP available to you.

So you must make a choice between PERL and PHP. I like PHP a lot, max like PERL a lot.

You can visit www.php.net and read up on the PHP documentation.

You can visit www.perl.com and get information on PERL from there (I am sure max can give you better links than I can).

The only thing I would have to say on this is, both languages are excellent, but with IRC help, perl people can be mean, while the PHP people help anyone. I am not sure if this makes any difference. Both languages can do a lot for you. And if you really want to get into it I woud tell you to learn both.

PHP might be a bit easier for you because there is a ton of ready made built in functions, that can do a lot for you. Perl can be a lot more compact if you do it right.

There are a lot of options available, good luck with it.



[edited by mr.maX]I've changed the URL of PERL's web site. It should end up with ".com"[/edit]

[This message has been edited by mr.maX (edited 06-03-2001).]

gman
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From: UK
Insane since: Jun 2001

posted posted 06-03-2001 19:20

I dont really have time to learn both,

I'm looking at PHP, but I'm no programmer. I just find that programs like dreamweaver take control from you, I want to put images/guestbooks etc, EXACTLY where I want 'em. You talk about keeping the code compact, does that help keep the site working fast?
I need to make the site offline. I cant be online with a 56k making the page, that is impractical for me. I think I'll learn the very basics and put in some ready-made stuff, like the forum, and the guestbook, but make it so I can display cool stuff like browser etc. Im thinking I need a book, then if I get really stuck I'll com and ask you guys

Thanks for the links, if Im in desperate trouble I'll come here for help.

-Gav

..."I killed Paul Allen with an axe. And I like it"

mr.maX
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From: Belgrade, Serbia
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted posted 06-03-2001 21:30

You can also install Apache/PERL/PHP/MySQL/etc. on your own computer and develop web sites locally. For a qucik start, take a look at the Fox-Serv bundle...

WarMage
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From: Rochester, New York, USA
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 06-03-2001 21:41

I second fox-serve as a bundle works well for creating on your own CPU.

Since you are only modifying text while on the 56k it is not a huge deal to do the editing, all you are uploading is 100 to 200 lines of code, which is only 1 to 2 k. But fox serve would work for your purposes.

Coding is easy, using the WYSIWYG is a pain in the ass and teaches you nothing. Makes what you do sloppy and teaches you no reproducable skills.

jiblet
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 06-04-2001 21:21

I'm surprised no one has commented on this yet Gman, but I don't think CGI, Perl, PHP, ASP, or any other programming language is the solution to your problem.

Start by learning to hand-code HTML. I was looking at your source code, and I'm not sure what is making it so slow, but it is definitely a mess. You are looking at other languages besides basic HTML and images to speed up your pages, but what you have to remember is that those languages themselves are used to generate HTML. I think a lot of problems will be solved if you learn how to code the pages by hand.

-jiblet

gman
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From: UK
Insane since: Jun 2001

posted posted 06-04-2001 21:55

Thanks, Im taking a trip over to amazon.com tonight.
I think you are right about the HTML thing, I looked a other pages source code, and found that they colour their pages using HTML, now call me simple but I always thought that they used gifs, DOH, So, I want a site coloured using HTML.

-G

..."I killed Paul Allen with an axe. And I like it"

WarMage
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From: Rochester, New York, USA
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 06-04-2001 21:58

Oh yeah...

You can't really do CGI scripting if you don't know HTML... so yeah you really need to learn how to do HTML by hand like a pro first... the web is based on HTML and by not knowing how to do it yourself you really lose out on everything else.

Along with HTML you will need to know how to do CSS, because by using CSS you really make coding a lot easier.

Learning how to code CGI is not the first step, but a later step in learning how to master a lot of different aspect of the web and web design.

butcher
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: New Jersey, USA
Insane since: Oct 2000

posted posted 06-04-2001 23:11

I have to second WarMage on the CSS statment. I am just really learning the power of CSS. If you setup your site using CSS for your fonts, coloring and positioning, all you have to do is change one CSS file to easily make major changes to all your pages.

Here is a site that was recommended by Twitch in another thread, and it has been very helpful to me.

:edit:
I always have trouble with these damn UBB url links
:/edit:

- Resolutions, Of All My Fruitless Searches -



[This message has been edited by butcher (edited 06-04-2001).]

gman
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From: UK
Insane since: Jun 2001

posted posted 06-05-2001 19:53

Cheers people!!!
I'll post my site when I've learnt all we have been talking about I.E about 20 years hehe no no about a month K.
Thnaks again,

-Gav

..."I killed Paul Allen with an axe. And I like it"

gman
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From: UK
Insane since: Jun 2001

posted posted 06-18-2001 07:27

well, I said I'd post it so here it is. Only a forum and guestbook in cgi, no css either
http://www.darkglade.com

..."I killed Paul Allen with an axe. And I like it"

mr.maX
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From: Belgrade, Serbia
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted posted 06-18-2001 07:49

I just have one small question. Why do you open some links in new windows (i.e. links to forum & guestbook, for example)? They should all open in the same winow. Also, the link to the forum in the first news item is broken (you have extra space at the end).

gman
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From: UK
Insane since: Jun 2001

posted posted 06-18-2001 14:40

The link seems to work fine from here ???

They open in new windows so that I'm not taking people away from the site, they can leave a message, then go back by closing the window, I like it that way.

..."I killed Paul Allen with an axe. And I like it"

linear
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From: other places
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 06-18-2001 16:03

<meta name=ProgId content=Word.Document>
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 9">
<meta name=Originator content="Microsoft Word 9">

You've been assimilated, it seems.

gman
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From: UK
Insane since: Jun 2001

posted posted 06-18-2001 16:19

What the fuck is that supposed to mean???? I used word to convert my Cv into html, thats it.

..."I killed Paul Allen with an axe. And I like it"

linear
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: other places
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 06-18-2001 20:01

I just thought it was funny from someone who killed Paul Allen with an axe. And liked it.

gman
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From: UK
Insane since: Jun 2001

posted posted 06-19-2001 04:41

Ooookay.

You lost ME, but just remember to take those pills..I didn't REALLY kill anyone

..."I killed Paul Allen with an axe. And I like it"

linear
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: other places
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 06-19-2001 04:57

Well, the Paul Allen most people know is one of the co-founders of Micro$oft, a multi-billionaire, and owner of some sports team in Seattle. A fairly famous guy.


mr.maX
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From: Belgrade, Serbia
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted posted 06-19-2001 09:17
quote:
14th June 2001
Darkglade forums now online and fully functional.



Click on word "forums" (on your web site) and see what will happen...

gman
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From: UK
Insane since: Jun 2001

posted posted 06-19-2001 17:59

Ohhhhh yeah........

.......I know about THAT!! I thought you meant the menu bar...yea I have fixed it but I am still working on the update..sorry.

..."I killed Paul Allen with an axe. And I like it"

gman
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From: UK
Insane since: Jun 2001

posted posted 06-19-2001 18:01

BTW: Paul Allen the character from Americal Psycho...see the quotation marks? thats a quote by Patrick Bateman.

But I understand you now!!

..."I killed Paul Allen with an axe. And I like it"

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