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I X I
Bipolar (III) Inmate

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Insane since: Apr 2004

posted posted 05-14-2004 13:54

As of now, I've decided to attempt to learn css.
My personal website http://ixi.dacryonic.net currently uses a MASSIVE table hack and an IFrame
On my harddrive, I have gotten rid of the table hack on the index page (still got all of my news pages to do, but that should be easy now ).
I was wondering what the best way would be to get rid of that nasty IFrame.
I have contemplated two options :

  • somehow save my navigation in a seperate page call it from each individual page (I think this can be done, but I don't know how)
  • make an entire page (banner, links, etc...) for each individal page (this appears to be a daunting task that will more than likely be necessary)


any suggestion/help (as always) is greatly appreciated




...Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most (ozzy osbourne)

Blaise
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jun 2003

posted posted 05-14-2004 14:23

Well for starters, if you build the navigation and header elements for each page and use CSS to do so, it won't be too much work, especially as they'll mostly remain the same for each page, if in future you decide to change the design but keep the same architecture, eg home, aim, Programs etc. you won't have to change any HTML at all, only the one single style sheet.

If you have any server side access, you could use server side includes for the header and navigation. But most ISP's charge you for server side technology, and you'll need to know a tiny amount of php or ASP for this (tiny).

I'm not sure but I think there's a way to load different html doc's into divs, but I figure this would work the same as an iframe, and really I don't see what's so bad about using one anyway.

If I were you, I'd write a new page for each element, it would be good practice, most of the code would be cut and paste anyway, and it won't make things more difficult to change in the future, plus if you fix it up, you could access the site from your mobile phone or PDA etc.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Blaise

I X I
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Apr 2004

posted posted 05-14-2004 17:02

hah, mobile phone, how cute! I can barely afford the $10/mo dialup internet access :P

I've always used frames, ALWAYS, all 4 of the personal websites I've had on the internet so far used frames, and I think it's time for something different, a little bit closer to being a worthwhile site.
I think I will do a page for each element.

now how exactly do you make a site that small anyway?

[edit]
in case you wanted to have a look see, I have 2 others still online, neither of which I'm very proud of, but I keep them up just to show myself how retarded I used to be and how far (if not but a few steps) I've come.


[/edit]




...Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most (ozzy osbourne)

(Edited by I X I on 05-14-2004 17:09)

(Edited by I X I on 05-14-2004 17:11)

Blaise
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jun 2003

posted posted 05-14-2004 18:42

Well like I said if you want ot do a page for each element you will need to use some server side includes, this is where during the content of your page somewhere you add a line of code and when you view it, *bing* your header appears, but like I said you'll probably have to pay more to your ISP to do this and for just using includes it probably isn't worth it, unless of course you have your own web server set up.

There is a way to use javascript to make client side includes, but this is impractical and quite frankly pointless, unless perhaps you have a huge unweildy page, and in order to understand and read the code you need to split it up, but frankly the time to render the page will take ages anyway.

Even though your pages use frames, they're all quite small with not much content, and there is a nice way to create frames without frames using CSS, if you're new to CSS it may take some getting used to , but check it out anyway.

CSS Frames introduction

A good example you may find usefull

Basically what I'm trying ot say is that, if you're going to use good practices in CSS and (X)HTML to create a new webpage for yourself you may aswell do it all on one page. Using includes are great if you have a serious webapplication or something equally as sizeable, but for a personal page it's a little bit like overkill.

cheers,

Blaise

I X I
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Apr 2004

posted posted 05-14-2004 19:26

Blaise, thank you for the new reading material, I will check it out after I get some sleep.
For now, I have a copy of the updated site that I know works in the one browser I have (IE5.x).

AFTER 20 HOURS : http://ixi.dacryonic.net/newsite well, I\'ve been up 20 hours.
[edit] A more propper link http://www.dacryonic.net/subdomains/ixi/newsite/ [/edit]

Hopefully after more of the maniacs have had their morning coffee they will compare the two pages and critique the changes.

I really have worked hard on these updates and I have to say I\'m proud of the way it is coming along. I mean, to think that a measly 12 hours ago I knew nothing about CSS except that you could change the color of your scrollbars with it, it\'s a very nice start.
(I know the news/art/programs links don\'t work, I\'ll get back to work after some sleep)

[edit] I was also wondering if you can format links with CSS. I searched, but to no avail (possibly from the lack of sleep?). Anyways, if someone would be so kind as to point me in the right direction here....[/edit]

Thanks again,




...Of all the things I\'ve lost, I miss my mind the most (ozzy osbourne)

(Edited by I X I on 05-14-2004 19:31)

Alevice
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Mexico
Insane since: Dec 2002

posted posted 05-14-2004 22:22

Every element can be affected by CSS. Just put the format you want into this.

a {...your crap...}



http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_reference.asp if needed.

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Sexy Demoness cel

I X I
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Apr 2004

posted posted 05-15-2004 07:56

thanx




...Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most (ozzy osbourne)

Blaise
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jun 2003

posted posted 05-17-2004 10:51

You've done it well, and you see it doesn't take up much code or space in the end does it.

Alevice has put a good link there for you, with links you can specify their pseudo classes aswell such as the appearance of them when they are active, hovered over or clicked, if you haven't already found the information on it under w3schools, you can find it here... http://www.w3schools.com/css/tryit.asp?filename=trycss_link

Hope it works well!

Cheers,

Blaise

I X I
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Apr 2004

posted posted 05-20-2004 07:00

thanks for the complement and help, blaise.
I'm working on some new changes, I'll post the results here when I have it all worked out.




...Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most (ozzy osbourne)

I X I
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: beyond the gray sky
Insane since: Apr 2004

posted posted 05-21-2004 00:03

OK, same old link, new content!
http://ixi.dacryonic.net/newsite/
or
http://www.dacryonic.net/subdomains/ixi/newsite/

I've gotten rid of almost all the unnecissary (sp?) images in this one, and it's almost where I want it to be . Let me know what you think

Also, I was wanting to do a right div, the same as with the navigation, but for links (the little 88x31 links), so I can let the people that visit the site know where most of it's inspiration came from. I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

Anyway, I'm uploading as I type this post, so it should be ready to view NOW.




...Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most (ozzy osbourne)

Blaise
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jun 2003

posted posted 05-21-2004 11:14

Well now it begins, looks great in IE, but I'm afraid it doesn't render properly in firefox or Mozilla 1.6

I think it maybe because you've not set the top property for your absolutely position Header and content divs, have a little play and see what comes up.

Otherwise It's all good.

I would recommend that you change your navigation from a table of links to an unordered list of links, but really this is up to you.

Cheers,

Blaise

I X I
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: beyond the gray sky
Insane since: Apr 2004

posted posted 05-23-2004 21:54

that's a good idea, I hadn't thought of that way to group them. I'll download firefox and play with the source till it's working right. thanks for the tips.




...Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most (ozzy osbourne)

I X I
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: beyond the gray sky
Insane since: Apr 2004

posted posted 05-25-2004 06:24

I got firefox, the site loads ok here after a little bit of tinkering. I've updated the main page with the new content. Wave goodbye to table hacks, I'M USING CSS BABY!

check it out

here

or

here

TADA!!!




...Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most (ozzy osbourne)

(Edited by I X I on 05-25-2004 06:27)

Blaise
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jun 2003

posted posted 05-25-2004 11:01

Well done, looks great.

I X I
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: beyond the gray sky
Insane since: Apr 2004

posted posted 05-25-2004 14:16

you know, that's exactly what I wanted to hear

I'm glad it's coming along as nicely as it is.

also, I didn't have a link image for PSC that would fit with the rest of the 88x31 links, so I cropped the image from their site and did the best I could with the crappy monitor I'm using now. gah it sucks not being able to see blue or green!

if you have a site and an 88x31 link image, post it here and I'll link to you. you never know who might be passing through ixi.dacryonic.net




...Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most (ozzy osbourne)



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