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Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 06-05-2004 16:41

I suspect ther eis more to this than it appears (e.g. internal power struggles in the White House, etc.) but such stories about the Most Powerful man in the World always worry me:

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4636.shtml

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poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: France
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 06-05-2004 17:42

poor little sad man. Nobody understands him.
No kidding, this is scary, though not surpirising, that GWB do not even accept other opinions and debats with his inner circle. The top officials are supposed to be extremely competent persons and thus their opinion can not be ignored. As a citizen of a secular democratic republic I'm also scared to death to hear that a president can justify his actions by "the will of God". Damn, I thought Middle Age and crussades were over since 5 centuries.

Rinswind 2th
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Den Haag: The Royal Residence
Insane since: Jul 2000

posted posted 06-05-2004 19:37

Nope they are started again....didn't you know?

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Jestah
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Long Island, NY
Insane since: Jun 2000

posted posted 06-05-2004 20:18

Internal power struggles aren't anything new with this administration. Thats something that has plagued Bush since the beginning. Key cabinet members have made no secret of their feuding. I would imagine the article is fairly accurate. A lot of what Bush considers to be important parts of his presidency is falling apart. The WMD that he claimed Iraq had never turned up. The man Bush was listening to regarding Iraq looks to be a felon on Iran's payroll. The public no longer supports his war in Iraq. Millions of jobs were lost. Deficits ran huge.

I'd be mad too.

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Sanzen
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Raleigh, NC
Insane since: Jan 2003

posted posted 06-05-2004 21:06

That really is disturbing, not the part about the internal power struggle so much as his increasingly evangelical state in the White House. We do NOT need this. Stability is important when you're in a seat of power like that.


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Jestah
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Long Island, NY
Insane since: Jun 2000

posted posted 06-05-2004 21:21

I'm not so sure its an increasingly evangelical state Sanzen. Mr. Bush didn't hide his religious background when running for office. Many American's voted for him because of it.

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Lacuna
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: the Asylum ghetto
Insane since: Oct 2002

posted posted 06-05-2004 21:28

as jestah said, bush actually partially ran on his religious background. i dunno if anyone else caught this, but pbs had a frontline show about it. PBS FRONTLINE:The Jesus Factor
was pretty interesting and frightening.

InI
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Somewhere over the rainbow
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 06-05-2004 21:41

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 06-06-2004 02:06

I am certain there is nothing I can say to alleviate your concern, Emps. So I'm not going to try.

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njuice42
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Gig Harbor, WA
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-06-2004 06:44

Wonderful.
I guess it's official, our President and the leader of the free world is certifiably, undeniably, completely nuts.
Or maybe it's just that chip on his shoulder...
Though I think it's really starting to show out in the open. Take a look at this. Really nothing more than him outright lying to the press, and in effect, every American who looks a little deeper than channel 45. (CNN, because some of you live in weird, scary places outside of the US. That's right, I said it.)

*gets himself another drink*

Jestah
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Long Island, NY
Insane since: Jun 2000

posted posted 06-06-2004 07:32

Again, I don't think he's going nuts. I think he's just coming to terms with the idea that what he believed in most ended in failure and he probably won't be winning re-election. I don't believe a modern President has ever won re-election with job approval ratings this low at this point. It's likely Reagan's death will give him a slight boost but other then that its more likely then not that his ratings are going to continue to slide.

Unless a drastic change occurs in either Iraq or Afghanastan, its unlikely public support will increase. It's unlikely that the economy will make any significant changes before November. With the president retaining legal council and Karl Rove on tape telling Chris Matthews Valerie Plume is fair game, its likely we'll see a larger investigation into Bush's dealings w/ this.

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WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 06-06-2004 11:57

Well, well...imagine that.

quote:
?This is what is killing us on Iraq,? one aide says. ?We lost focus. The President got hung up on the weapons of mass destruction and an unproven link to al Qaeda. We could have found other justifiable reasons for the war but the President insisted the focus stay on those two, tenuous items.?



Finally, it is starting to make sense. I have wondered, long and hard as to why Mr. Bush and his Administration have been doing what they have been doing, and why so many mistakes have been made. Thank you Emps, for posting this. It truly does explain much. It also offers every reason not to vote for Mr. Bush this coming election.

We all know what happened to Nixon. We surely do not want that to repeat itself, in any way, shape, or form.

This look inside is really scary stuff. The man is more and more isolated from the real world, by his own paranoia and shortsightedness. He has created an atmosphere of "yes" saying, which is a very, very dangerous thing when you are the President of the United States.

Mr. Bush definitely needs to go.

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Sangreal
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From: the one place the Keebler Elves can't get him
Insane since: Apr 2004

posted posted 06-07-2004 06:47

Is it just me or has it occured to anybody else that most christians are very opposed to muslims and that the places we are attacking are primarily muslim. Need I mention that our leader is a christian. It might be me again but it sounds like a repeat of the crusades. A big powerful primarily christian group trying to wipe out a smaller less powerful primarily muslim group.

If one match can start a forest fire then why does it take the whole box to start a BBQ Grill?

Jestah
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Long Island, NY
Insane since: Jun 2000

posted posted 06-07-2004 17:05

Sangreal

We're currently involved in two wars: Afghanastan & Iraq. One is a nation who openly supported a terrorist regime who attacked the United States. The other is a secular nation whos leader was attempting to acquire nuclear weapons to use against the United States. To suggest that either war is because the area happens to be Muslim is narrowminded & shortsighted.

Of course some people have accused me of being a Bush sympathizer.

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Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 06-07-2004 17:16
quote:
Jestah said:

The other is a secular nation whos leader was attempting to acquire nuclear weapons to use against the United States.



Says who???

There was some evidence that he was attempting to acquire nuclear materials but that has largely been shown to have been fake or completely (wantonly?) misintepretted. Was there any suggestion that these alleged nuclear weapons were somehow meant for the US? I thought Iran and Israel would have been more likely targets if any of it had been true.

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mobrul
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 06-07-2004 17:28

Never mind the Bosnian / Serbian issue where the US helped (Muslim) Bosnians protect themselves from (Christian) Serbs.

As much as I'd like life to be neat and tidy and easy to package and explain, this particular theory just doesn't hold much water with me. That's not to say that notion of Christian vs Muslim / good vs evil doesn't exist in the general populace. There's plenty of evidence pointing to that.
To call that the overall causa bellum? Your case is lacking.

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: France
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 06-07-2004 17:33
quote:
Jestah said:

whos leader was attempting to acquire nuclear weapons to use against the United States


I see, the fact that the order of nuclear material from Iraq was a blatant fake still didn't came to the ears of everybody.

How can some one with common sense could think Sadam wanted to acquire nuclear weapons to bomb the US ? Come on, he was crazy but not completely nut. If such an attack have occured, I think Mr. "Will of God" Bush wouldn't have waited a single second to vanish Bagad and all the big cities of Iraq of the map with the thousands of weapons of mass destruction ( probably including nuclear weapons ) the US holds.

IMHO, the eventuality of a strong military attack from an "enemy" country is extremely slim for the same reasons that the cold war didn't ended in WW3. One would need a huuuuuge power of strike to paralyze all the industrialized countries to anihilate all possibilities of counter-offensive. Even in the worst B-type movies of the 80s that kind of global attack didn't happen.



(Edited by poi on 06-07-2004 17:36)

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