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countryboy
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: somers, new york
Insane since: Dec 2000

posted posted 08-26-2004 04:03

For those who wish it, you can obtain a free CD of SP2 at:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp2/cdorder/en_us/default.mspx


Country Boy

eyezaer
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: the Psychiatric Ward
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted posted 08-26-2004 04:07

"Share This CD with a Friend After you have installed Service Pack 2, Microsoft encourages you to give this CD to a friend or family member using Windows XP."

eh? Rock on.

Lurch
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Behind the Wheel
Insane since: Jan 2002

posted posted 08-26-2004 05:39

hmmm... illegal to share the CD that causes problems on your computer (xp), but they encourage you to share the one that (allegedly- haha) fixes it.


mas
Maniac (V) Mad Librarian

From: the space between us
Insane since: Sep 2002

posted posted 08-26-2004 11:39

mhmmm maybe i will order one....its free, so nevermind


B | T | E | P | L

docilebob
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: buttcrack of the midwest
Insane since: Oct 2000

posted posted 08-26-2004 11:59

Unusual of Microsoft to encourage (or even condone) sharing their software..

Things that make you go ..."Hrmmmmm"

Tao
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

posted posted 08-26-2004 12:37

I'll have that tune in my head all morning now db ~things that make you go umm umm ummmm~

:::tao::: ::cell::

Xpirex
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Still looking..
Insane since: Mar 2003

posted posted 08-31-2004 08:33

Yeh maybe you want to take a look at this before you all jump with joy.. posted by Microsoft themselves at: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130&product=windowsxpsp2

quote:
Programs that are known to experience a loss of functionality when they run on a Windows XP Service Pack 2-based computer
View products that this article applies to.
INTRODUCTION
This article contains a list of programs that are known to experience loss of functionality when they run on a Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)-based computer. If you are using a program that appears on this list, contact the software vendor for more information. Microsoft is updating this list with new information as we receive it. Therefore, check this article frequently.

For client-based and server-based programs that communicate over the Internet or over a network, the new Windows Firewall feature that is included with Windows XP SP2 may be blocking unsolicited connections to your computer. Examples of these types of programs are:

* Multiplayer games and instant message programs that are used over the Internet.
* Windows XP SP2-based client programs that receive data from a server.
* Windows XP SP2-based server programs that respond to client requests.

MORE INFORMATION
For additional information about how to use the Windows Firewall feature to let programs accept connections, click the following article numbers to view the articles in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

842242 Some programs seem to stop working after you install Windows XP Service Pack 2

875357 Troubleshooting Windows Firewall settings in Windows XP Service Pack 2
For programs that exhibit issues on 64-bit-based computers that support the No Execute (NX) technology, the new Data Execution Prevention feature that is included with Windows XP SP2 may be preventing the programs from running correctly.

For additional information about how to use the Data Execution Prevention feature, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

875351 You receive a "Data Execution Prevention" error message in Windows XP Service Pack 2


The following table lists programs that are known to experience a loss of functionality when they run on a Windows XP SP2-based computer.

Program name Program version Program vendor Processor type Web site Issue or symptom
AOL Toolbar 1.13.2 AOL 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.aol.com The Information Bar blocks access to the tool's edit boxes.
BitDefender 7.2 SOFTWIN 64-bit (NX) http://www.bitdefender.com The program does not install.
BitDefender AntiSpam 7 SOFTWIN 64-bit (NX) http://www.bitdefender.com The program does not install.
BlackICE 3.6 crj Internet Security Systems 64-bit (NX) http://www.iss.net When you use this program, you may receive a Stop error that causes the program to quit.
BootSkin All Stardock 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.stardock.com When you restart your computer during the Windows XP SP2 Setup program, a Stop error occurs. For more information, see the following Microsoft Knowledge Base article: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[ln];873159.
Command Antivirus 4.9 Authentium 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.authentium.com This program does not start.
Encyclopedia Britannica 2000 Deluxe 1 Encyclopedia Britannica 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.encyclopediabritannica.com Java rendering does not function after you install this program.
eTrust EZ Armor 1 Computer Associates 64-bit (NX) http://www.ca.com The EZ Firewall part of this program generates a Stop error during installation.
Freedom Force 1 Electronic Arts 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.ea.com When you start the program, a message appears that points you to the following EA Web site: http://techsupport.ea.com.
Kaspersky Anti-Virus (German) 5 Kaspersky Labs 64-bit (NX) http://www.kaspersky.com Real-time scanning does not work.
Live Motion 1 Adobe 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.adobe.com This program displays various errors that prevent typical operation.
MapSend DirectRoute 1.0 Magellan 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.magellangps.com When you start the program, a message appears that points you to the following Web site: http://www.magellangps.com/en/support.
MPEGcraft DVD All Canopus 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) When you try to save an MPEG file, you receive a "Failed to Edit" error, and the file cannot be saved.
NBA LIVE 2000 1 Electronic Arts 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.ea.com This program does not start in certain systems.
NOD32 for Microsoft Windows 6.09 Eset 64-bit (NX) http://www.eset.com When this program is started, all network connectivity is lost.
Norman Personal Firewall 1.4 Norman 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.norman.com Norman Personal Firewall Assistant will not start.
Norman Personal Firewall 1.4 Norman 64-bit (NX) After this program installs and restarts, the desktop does not load correctly
Norton AntiVirus 2003 Symantec 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.symantec.com At system startup, Scheduled Tasks in Norton AntiVirus 2003 does not automatically scan.
Norton SystemWorks 2003 - GoBack Personal Edition 2003 Symantec 64-bit (NX) http://www.symantec.com If you install this program, you receive the "DRIVER_OR_IRQ_NOT_EQUAL" error every time your computer starts.
Norton SystemWorks 2004 - GoBack32 2004 Symantec 64-bit (NX) http://www.symantec.com If you install this program, you receive the "DRIVER_OR_IRQ_NOT_EQUAL" error every time your computer starts.
OmniPage Pro 11 ScanSoft 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.scansoft.com When you remove this program, the uninstall program does not finish.
Outpost Firewall 2.1 Agnitum 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.agnitum.com When you run this program, you may receive a Stop error and have to restart your computer.
PaperPort Deluxe 8 ScanSoft 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.scansoft.com Setup or uninstall programs do not finish.
Pinnacle Studio 9 Pinnacle Systems 64-bit (NX) http://www.pinnaclesys.com If you install this program, you receive a "Data Execution Prevention" error whenever an MPEG file is accessed.
Rational ClearCase 2003 IBM 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.ibm.com When you restart your computer during the Windows XP SP2 Setup program, a Stop error occurs.
Roboword Pro (Japanese) 6 TechnoCraft 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.technocraft.co.jp/english/pagehelp.html When you use the Search Station tool, this program closes prematurely.
Semagic 1.3.9.6 Live Journal 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.livejournal.com This program quits after you enter logon information.
Style XP 2 TGTSoft 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.tgtsoft.com An updated version of this program can be found on the TGTSoft Web site.
Virtual PC 2004 Microsoft 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.microsoft.com When you run a Windows XP SP2 image, you may receive a program error after you type "CMD" in the address bar.
VirusSecurity 2004 (Japanese) 2004 Sourcenext 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.sourcenext.com Real Time Monitor does not start.
Window-Eyes Professional 4.2 GW Micro 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.gwmicro.com Multiple error messages occur during program installation. Visit the GW Micro Web site for information about an upgraded version of the program.
WinRoute Pro 4.25 Kerio 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.kerio.com When you start this program, a message appears that points you to the following Web site: http://www.kerio.com.
WordPerfect Office 11 Corel 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.corel.com WordPerfect Office Update cannot update the program.
Yahoo Instant Messenger 6 Yahoo 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.yahoo.com You cannot download and install Yahoo Instant Messenger by using Yahoo's ActiveX controls.
ZoneAlarm 3.7 Zone Labs 64-bit (NX) http://www.zonelabs.com If you install this program, you receive a "PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA" error every time your computer starts.
ZoneAlarm 4 Zone Labs 64-bit (NX) http://www.zonelabs.com If you install this program, you receive a Stop error every time your computer starts.
ZoneAlarm 4.5x Zone Labs 64-bit (NX) http://www.zonelabs.com This program does not install. If you try to install it, you receive an "8e" Stop error every time your computer starts.
ZoneAlarm 5.0.590 Zone Labs 32-bit and 64-bit (NX) http://www.zonelabs.com When you try to remove ZoneAlarm, you receive a Stop error message or your computer restarts before the uninstall program finishes.



QUOTATION: "The trouble with a rat race is that even when you win, you're still a rat.''



..and this list is not even exhaustive.... Garbage!.. ...and the "New Improved Secure Firewall" is also crap and can be completely disabled by the exploit of a simple worm modifying a single entry in the registry. So don't let it be your only defense.

(Edited by Xpirex on 08-31-2004 09:23)

metahuman
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: meme-contagion
Insane since: Aug 2003

posted posted 08-31-2004 09:40

I'm running XP SP2 on my studio workstation with no problems whatsoever.

By the way, why anyone would be using any of that software listed is beyond me.

Those are all very weak applications and I'm not surprised those applications have problems.



(Edited by metahuman on 08-31-2004 09:41)

DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted posted 08-31-2004 18:11

Well, many people would be runing such software because

a) it came with their computer and they don't have the financial resources/knowledge and expertise/need/desire to replace them

b) they failed to consider that "NBA LIVE 2000" might be a 'weak application' and simply enjoyed playing a fun game...

c) they lack your infinite wisdom in choosing only the best and most powerful applications to outfit their home computers with.

Of course, many people would say the same for windows itself.

countryboy
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: somers, new york
Insane since: Dec 2000

posted posted 08-31-2004 22:46

I received my CD in about 10 days time.

It took 30 mins. to install.

So far all is fine.

Country Boy

Shooting_Star
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Feb 2004

posted posted 09-03-2004 23:53

if it ain't broke....

http://news.com.com/SP2+vs.+the+plug-ins/2100-1032-5345881.html?part=dht&tag=ntop

Shooting_Star
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Feb 2004

posted posted 09-03-2004 23:57
quote:
metahuman said:

Those are all very weak applications and I'm not surprised those applications
have problems.



we can't all be as bright as you..some of us still use "weak" applications.

templar654
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: The Belly of a Fire Breathing Dragon
Insane since: Apr 2004

posted posted 09-04-2004 05:28

I don't remeber where but I read somewhere that SP2 wasn't of much use. The IE bugs are still there and some programs seize to funtions from time to time... is that true?

I shut my eyes in order to see | Online Portfolio | Journal | Community | Paintings | Cell #23041

Pugzly
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: 127.0.0.1
Insane since: Apr 2000

posted posted 09-04-2004 05:55

We've got it running on about 100 machines, and it's running fine. No problems.

viol
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Lago Paranoá
Insane since: May 2002

posted posted 09-05-2004 02:22

I updated my WinXP to SP2 with no problems at all, so far.
Running on my new P4-3.2GHz like a dream .

Morph
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: The Soft Cell
Insane since: Nov 2001

posted posted 09-05-2004 02:41

DL, heehee.

better add nero to that list...

viol
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Lago Paranoá
Insane since: May 2002

posted posted 09-05-2004 11:42

Not no happy anymore...
When I was shuting down my system some minutes ago, I got a BSoD stating IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL blah blah. Strangely, I had to shut down the system because my CPU was under 100% load, even having no (regular) applications running (the process "alv.exe" was the one eating up the CPU, due to unknown reasons).
If this happens again, I will downgrade my WinXP back to SP1 using a backup image of my partition "before sp2" ....

Xpirex
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Still looking..
Insane since: Mar 2003

posted posted 09-05-2004 23:11

http://www.amnews.com/public_html/?module=displaystory&story_id=8723&format=html

quote:
Sunday September 5, 2004

To get or not to get Windows XP Service Pack 2? That is the question

By SHEILA J. CLARK
Internet Columnist

The talk in the computer world seems to be whether or not to get Microsoft's Windows XP Service Pack 2. Both sides of the argument offer pros and cons as to whether or not computer users should proceed with this upgrade. By fall, computer users won't have to worry about making that decision, as computers running Windows XP will come preinstalled with SP2.

I recently was asked my views on the SP2 matter, so here's my short and sweet take on the issue. Usually, I would say, quick, get your Microsoft updates ASAP. This time, I will start by saying proceed with great caution.

First and most important, make sure you do your homework on this upgrade, as it's not your ordinary update. Read the special notices that Microsoft has posted on its site, especially the Windows XP Service Pack 2 page at www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/default.mspx. It will tell you the benefits of SP2 and it features links to various other online resources. Then do a Google search on "Windows XP SP2" and read others views on it.

Secondly, make sure you visit your computer's manufacturer's site to check for any XP SP2-related news updates. While you are there, make sure you get the latest drivers for your hardware and upgrades for any pre-installed software. Microsoft has posted a list of software programs that are known to have compatibility problems after the SP2 update at http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242.

I feel really bad for the folks using dial-up who want to do the upgrade because this upgrade is huge - 75MB in size. If you are one of the dial-up folks, I hope you have plenty of free time and a really good connection to your ISP. Otherwise, I would suggest that you have Microsoft send you a free copy of Windows XP Service Pack 2 on CD by visiting www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/updates/sp2/cdorder/en_us/default.mspx. It will take about four to six weeks before it will arrive. After you're done with it, you can let another dial-up friend borrow it.

The system requirements posted on Microsoft's site for this update are: a 233MHz processor, 64MB RAM and 1800MB of free hard disk space. Especially take notice to the hard drive space as the other two requirements should have been met prior to installing XP.

In closing, I would suggest that if you are currently working on a big project on your XP system, wait until after it is completed to do the update and as always, backup your files. Better safe, than sorry.

QUOTATION: "The trouble with a rat race is that even when you win, you're still a rat.''





(Edited by Xpirex on 09-05-2004 23:12)

viol
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Lago Paranoá
Insane since: May 2002

posted posted 09-06-2004 00:28

Every new Service Pack and it's always the same old history. The details differ, but the essence is the same: don't blindly trust Microsoft.

Pugzly
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: 127.0.0.1
Insane since: Apr 2000

posted posted 09-06-2004 01:27

viol - that's probably spyware (alv.exe). That's been the biggest issue so far. Spyware is causing stop errors. We got several hundred installed seats of SP2, and we haven't had a single problem yet.

viol
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Lago Paranoá
Insane since: May 2002

posted posted 09-06-2004 04:19

Oh, Sorry, Pugzly, I made a mistake, it's not alv.exe but alg.exe.

According to the properties dialog, it's a Microsoft file, "Application Layer Gateway Service", version 5.1.2600.2180. I know it's very easy to make an exe file with some fake properties info, but this one for me is not fake.

I never had such a problem before. So far, it hasn't happened again.

viol
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Lago Paranoá
Insane since: May 2002

posted posted 09-07-2004 07:28

In the last hours, my computer went definitely crazy. Blue screens of death all the time, rebooting, locking, so with some difficulty to get a stable moment, I was able to uninstall SP2 and apparently, it's back to normal.

Strange because I never had a problem with a MS Service Pack before. And this is a new computer, with only "famous" parts (like Intel, Asus, ATI, Corsair, etc...) so apparently drivers would not be a problem.
And I am in the process of installing a bunch of applications, because I have just assembled this new computer, with fresh install of everything. I had instaled, well, I have, only a small part of the applications I want to install. I don't even have Photoshop installed already. So, even with so few apps installed SP2 was able to make a mess here...

Too bad, I liked the new features of IE.

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: France
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 09-28-2004 22:37

Thank you for your order (x150)

rtipple
Neurotic (0) Inmate
Newly admitted

From:
Insane since: Nov 2004

posted posted 11-12-2004 16:15

Hi guys,
The information in this thread was so helpful that it compelled me to join so I could post my response and experience with SP2.
I updated my perfectly fine, working PC running Win XP Pro from SP1 to SP2 a couple of days ago.
My father had updated his PC and had no problems what so ever so thought I'd have a go.
All initially went according to plan, SP2 downloaded, installed, time for reboot. Restarted and I went into a boot loop with a IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL STOP error. Worth noting that nothing could get past this error, Safe mode, nothing.
I have twin drives running a version of XP on each so I was able to boot up in the other and everything was still working so it was obviously software and not hardware. Especially as everything was working just fine before hand. So I basically unplugged everything but the monitor and dug out an old keyboard and mouse. After that it at least managed to boot up into windows. It did some kicking and screaming at first with it sorting itself out with Zone Alarm firewall and my virus software but after a few more reboots it eventually settled down.
Then is was a case of plugging things back in to see where the problem was. First thing was my wireless optical mouse. Cheap thing from A4 Tech. Plugged the USB receiver in and it crashed and rebooted. So I'd found my culprit first try. Unplugged it, used my old mouse to navigate to the A4 Tech web site where I downloaded the latest Win XP SP2 compatible driver, installed it and everything's working just fine now.
So to anyone experiencing similar issues after a SP2 update I suggest you unplug everything first and then boot up with only a monitor, keyboard and mouse hooked up. Then connect things one at a time until you find out what causes you problems. If nothing else, removing everything connected to your PC might just be enough to enable you to boot up and restore your system to a previously working state.
I'm no techy so I hope this simple process of elimination approach might help you sort things outs.
As to SP2 itself ... only had it working one night. Not had chance to run games on it yet so I guess we'll see. I'm just happy for the thing to be booting up successfully for now.

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