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RammStein
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: cEll 513, west wing of the ninth plain
Insane since: Dec 2000

posted posted 02-09-2005 17:29

wow I think I got a taste of Gideons blind observations and objectives .. taking what I said to only mean toward himself and himself alone .. in some sense that is what many in America are .. self involved .. Gideon think of this objectively and not directed at yourself .. for this sake .. our founding fathers wrote it's declaration objectively .. and nah not all of them were christian .. anyway I have one question for you Gideon .. how old are you?

as for this story book(the bible) you so love to quote and I shall quote you

quote:
But just becuase you read it once, does not mean you know it. And if you did intensive Bible Study, you should have known what God really says. To know God is to know the Bible.



being that I was once catholic then became christian then born again .. during my younger years I actually attended a christian school from the grades 6th to 9th .. every year having bible study .. only during the 9th grade did I really begin my dislike for the way the bible was represented to me and this began my stray from this faith and further research on other religions around the world .. for in 9th grade my professor proceeded to give me an 'F' for Bible Study class .. I attended classes, did what I had to do, but wasn't very good with memorizing script which determined most of our grade .. so as a result my professor gave me an 'F' and after receiving my grade card .. I looked to my mother and said one thing

"how can I fail 'MY' own God"

so Gideon .. when you state "to know God is to know the Bible" .. I STRONGLY disagree .. for I believe We are co-creation of God .. meaning we are all visions of Gods beauty and creativity .. hense we are co-creations of God .. so I believe to know God is know oneself .. not someone elses inturpertation of what their God's vision is .. because honestly .. though we believe all in one God .. your belief in God is different to that of mine .. for you believe your God works in different ways then I that I believe my God works in different ways as well .. but I know you and I still believe in the same God .. just view his majesty different .. because we all think differently .. do you understand what I mean?

[awaiting blind eyes]


.::. cEll .::. 513

(Edited by RammStein on 02-09-2005 17:51)

WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 02-09-2005 21:47
quote:
Come on Web, your impatience is showing.



quote:
I can appreciate your frustration WS



You both are missing the point - it is an excercise in futility. One cannot have an honest dialog with another that is being dishonest. At least, I won't. It serves no real purpose, at least not for me. I have warned Gideon before about this.

Because he is incapable of grasping the importance of this, I must take the initiative and curtail communication from my side.

So be it.

Ehtheist
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From: Just north of nowhere, south of where
Insane since: Feb 2005

posted posted 02-10-2005 00:46

So be it WS, ya gotta do what ya gotta do...but he is still good for a few yuks.

There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line.
Oscar Levant
(1906 - 1972)

Petskull
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: 127 Halcyon Road, Marenia, Atlantis
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 02-10-2005 08:53

*pout*

Nobody read my book...

Gideon
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: rooted on planet Mars, *I mean Earth*
Insane since: May 2004

posted posted 02-14-2005 15:20

I am sorry Webshaman, please accept my deepest apology. What I did was wrong, and I had no right to do it. If you ever see me twisting your words around again, please inform me in the most blunt of manners, becuase I do not want to be mean and hurt you. I am sorry.

As for the contradictions in my posts about answers, actually you are getting two different messages. It is kinda a paradox, but not really. I will use video games as an example. Video games were obviously not around in biblical times. So video games are never mentioned in the Bible. Right? Well, no and yes. The specific nomen "video games" is not mentioned, but a general mention of idolatry and violence can be applied. Does that make more sense? I'm sorry I didn't elaborate on that earlier. It makes me sound like a fool doesn't it?

As for the perspective things: it is something no comprehendable to most people. I don't even comprehend it some of the time. But when a man (or woman) has the Holy Spirit active in thier lives, the pages seem to come alive for that person. Things fit. But when a man or woman is spiritually dead to God, then it is just another book with some ideas that contradict what "normal" humans think.

As for Creation in the class room, "they" as much right to inforce the extended learning of young people in the confines of historical science as ohters do math. I am being forced by the state to have an education, I would at least like that education to include all plausible theories and models, instead of focusing on one and ignoring the rest.

Homosexuality in animals is explained by the same thing it is explained with for humans. God cursed the whole earth for our sake. Animals, trees, plants, the Earth in general is suffering right now for what we did. (And when you look at industrialization of the forests; what we are still doing.)
(There aren't any parables I know of in any of the history books in the Bible. I could be wrong of course, but I don't remember any.)

Jade, thanks. I needed that rebuke. You are right, God cannot be contained in anything, let alone our puny human minds. He needed a whole temple just to hold His Name! Yes, to read the Bible is not to know all of God (the Holy Spirit helps you to learn what you need to know, though). Yeah, the Bible only gives a glimpse into what God knows, but it does show His love for His people. I love it when people refer to the Bible as a love note, because I am beginning to see more and more that is what it is.

Well Ethiest, blind faith is a bad word to use for it, because I know for a fact that you have blind faith that the chair you are sitting on will not colapse. That may be logic, but it could fall you know. It is the faith in your chair that allows you to just plop down and get to work on the comp. I have faith in God that He is helping me to grow and become more Christ-like every day. Amen to that! I can see it happening! But I still have a long way to go as indicated above...

Ramm, I know they were not all Christian, but many people like to beat that ad nausem until it seems as though there were only a few who were. That is not true! Many were Christians, and most of thier ideas either came from the Bible, or line up with the Bible.

I understand exactly what you mean Ramm, and it makes sense. I am greatful for the firm rebuke too. I don't necessarily believe that knowing yourself lets you know God (it certainly helps), but I am pretty sure it is the Holy Spirit that reveals much of God's majesty and direction for us. Because look, if you and I didn't have the Holy Spirit, could we see God? (By seeing I mean in the future literally and in the present figuratively for those who get disgruntled at such things.) Seeing the craftsmanship of the crafter is a clue to what He is like, and what He thinks, but why just look at the creation, when you can speak directly to the Creator (aka. through the Jesus Christ)?

You are right WS, and I would not like to carry on a conversation with a person who twists my words either, and I will completely understand if you never respond to my posts again. But I want you to know that people (I) do stupid things sometimes. But when they try and make amends, please don't shove them off.

Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you, rebuke a wise man and he will love you.

jade
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: houston, tx usa
Insane since: Mar 2003

posted posted 02-14-2005 17:19
quote:
Jade, thanks. I needed that rebuke. You are right, God cannot be contained in anything, let alone our puny human minds. He needed a whole temple just to hold His Name! Yes, to read the Bible is not to know all of God (the Holy Spirit helps you to learn what you need to know, though). Yeah, the Bible only gives a glimpse into what God knows, but it does show His love for His people. I love it when people refer to the Bible as a love note, because I am beginning to see more and more that is what it is.



Your a very gracious debater. You do not have the arrogance as if you contained a wealth of knowlege as those who do not believe have. I did not mean rebuke you. If I conveyed arrogance, please forgive me. I know we don't know all the answers about God. Trying to understand scripture can be and is very interesting & then confusing for some. I can see you have a sincere heartfelt quest to know who God is. May the holy spirit continue to help and guide you.

Gideon
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: rooted on planet Mars, *I mean Earth*
Insane since: May 2004

posted posted 02-16-2005 02:56

Thanks Jade, but I mean it, if you ever see me doing something like that again I would be grateful if you would correct me. It was not arrogance, it was just what I needed. Thanks.

Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you, rebuke a wise man and he will love you.

NoJive
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Land of one Headlight on.
Insane since: May 2001

posted posted 02-16-2005 05:57
quote:
because I know for a fact that you have blind faith that the chair you are sitting on will not colapse. That may be logic, but it could fall you know. It is the faith in your chair that allows you to just plop down and get to work on the comp.



Gid: Statements like that ^ are where you pretty much blow it.

There's absolutely no faith involved with a chair of any description. Never has been ...never will be... no how no way.

Principles of engineering and physics allow a certain level of confidence that the basic design of the chair can be trusted. That's it.

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