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DmS
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Sthlm, Sweden
Insane since: Oct 2000

posted posted 01-23-2005 21:54

This is an interesting, and to me new and partly convincing look on the war on terror.
Please note that I do not in any way agree with everything said and claimed in this, however, it does make you think.

This is a realplayer stream, almost an hour long, it's worth it though.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/121104powerofnightmares.htm

I do get the feeling that this guy doesn't like Bush though
/Dan

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Emperor
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 01-24-2005 04:43

This was shown a while ago on the Beeb and repeated this week.

Its actually a three part series and it is worth seeing all three to get the full scope - its what I call "the Watchmen Theory" - that some people think we really need an external threat to help keep our society cohesive and cooperative and if they don't have such a threat they'll manufacture one or at least coopt an existing one.

It is also interesting when it looks at how the neo-cons and Islamic fundies actually "need" each other.

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Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 01-24-2005 04:50

Some links on this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,1327904,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4171213.stm

and an alternative viewpoint:

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/davis200410211043.asp

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WebShaman
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From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 01-24-2005 11:40

Very interesting stuff. One question though - is this true?

quote:
Curtis also cites the Home Office's own statistics for arrests and convictions of suspected terrorists since September 11 2001. Of the 664 people detained up to the end of last month, only 17 have been found guilty. Of these, the majority were Irish Republicans, Sikh militants or members of other groups with no connection to Islamist terrorism. Nobody has been convicted who is a proven member of al-Qaida.



I thought that they had a few al-Qaida in custody. Or is certified proven member the clue here (instead of suspected)?

Emperor
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From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 01-24-2005 15:12

WS: It says no one with connections to al-Qaida has been cnnvicted - it is possible they have some in custody although if they do and they have good evidence they should prosecute. Example we swpet up a number of guys from the Middle East in a "ricin producing cell of terrorists" except, of course, ricin is also used in the production of fake passports and they had no terrorist connections (but plenty in the people smuggling ones). Big claims keep being made when they arrest these people but so far it hasn't actually been backed up with any evidence and often they just quietly release them later.

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WebShaman
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From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 01-24-2005 15:27

I thought they got the Financial guy from al-Qaida in Pakistan. That would constitute one, right?

Emperor
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From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 01-24-2005 20:31

WS: I'm usnure - he may be still in custody as I'm pretty sure there hasn't been a high profile prosecution liek that yet (but I could be wrong).

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WebShaman
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From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 01-24-2005 23:22

This is really starting to get spooky...you know, I can't seem to really find info on just one convicted, confirmed al-Qaida member!!

I find that rather odd...you would think they would at least parade a few out in the public, just to show that the war on terror is "succeeding".

UnknownComic
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From: 2 steps away from a los angeles curb
Insane since: Nov 2003

posted posted 01-25-2005 00:34

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=al-Qaida+convicted&btnG=Google+Search


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=al-Qaeda+convicted&spell=1

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WebShaman
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From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 01-25-2005 09:32

Unknown, we are talking about those apprehended since 9/11. I don't know how "accurate" the reports out of Iran are, and most of the others in Europe are "suspected" al-Qaida, or support for al-Qaida people.

I thought that the financial head had been snapped up in Pakistan. But other than that (and I haven't heard of a conviction), I don't know of any other convicted, confirmed al-Qaida members since 9/11.

There is word of two that they have in custody since last week here in Germany.

Well, I found this

quote:
Since the 9/11 attacks, some 2,700 known or suspected al-Qaeda members have been apprehended in 100 countries (although half of them were subsequently released for lack of evidence).

from this source The War on Terrorism
in 2002
but I don't know how accurate that is, and it doesn't mention if any are confirmed members of al-Qaida and convicted.

(Edited by WebShaman on 01-25-2005 13:11)

Emperor
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 01-26-2005 12:40

Things are now moving forward on the remaining detainees:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,13743,1398682,00.html

It looks like they really can't hold them any longer. They do have back up plans but some of those (like house arrest) infringe the Human Rights Act.

Also the Brits from Guantanamo will probably be released soonerrather than later (esp. considering the terrible state some of them are in):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,13743,1398738,00.html

Its also worth noting where they were "picked up" from - one from Afghanistan, 2 from Pakistan and one from Zambia. Can you just be scooped up from any old country and posted off to a black hole in the Caribbean and given mysterious injections? Apparently.

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WebShaman
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From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 01-26-2005 13:21
quote:
Can you just be scooped up from any old country and posted off to a black hole in the Caribbean and given mysterious injections? Apparently.

Hehe - yes, you can. That is nothing new. The fact that it is out in the open like this is, though.

Emperor
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From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 01-28-2005 02:06

You can access all 3 episodes and the transcripts via here:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1037.htm

I'm unsure what the copyright situation is so that down to you but as far as I'm aware it is all fine for people in the UK as these have paid for via the license fee (the Beeb will be giving away large amounts of its content at some point in the future for this reason - expect firmer plans sometime around the lead up to charter renewal ).

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