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axleclarkeuk
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Swansea, Wales, UK
Insane since: Aug 2001

posted posted 05-18-2005 13:55

Aussie born singer/Actress has been disgnosed with Breast Cancer.


Read Here

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WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 05-18-2005 14:14

Many other women, as well.

Don't get me wrong - I hope that Kylie survives it and breast cancer should be taken seriously.

It is just that many other women suffer from breast cancer, as well.

Why aren't they getting the attention that this disease deserves?

(Edited by WebShaman on 05-18-2005 14:30)

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: France
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 05-18-2005 14:18

axleclarkeuk: so what ?

Kylie Minogue an Actress ? she was awesome in Street Fighter

Blaise
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: London
Insane since: Jun 2003

posted posted 05-18-2005 14:21

Perhaps I can lend a hand...

F1_error
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: EN27
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 05-18-2005 14:28

Cancer, in any form, is scary. I'm hoping that she can have it treated, and it never comes back. We've got to find a cure for cancer of all types, because when it resists treatment it's a very bad, very painful thing.

kimson
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: The Carpenter Arms
Insane since: Jan 2005

posted posted 05-18-2005 14:51
quote:
Many other women, as well



Too right. Two of my grand parents died of cancer, and this is way too much. My boyfriend's mum, aunt and uncles - 8 brothers - all died of cancer. Breast cancer is also the most curable form of cancer, and if I had to choose, I'd rather have breast cancer than oesophagus, lung or bones cancer.
They'd better find a cure very soon anyway, or we're all bound to die of cancer soon or later.

Too bad for Kylie, it's very hard and she's going to go through hard times, but she's gonna get cured, will get over it and will be able to afford a new gorgeous breast anyway.

axleclarkeuk
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Swansea, Wales, UK
Insane since: Aug 2001

posted posted 05-18-2005 15:25

Poi,

quote:
axleclarkeuk: so what ?



Obviously you have never had anyone in your family or perhaps a close friend suffer as a result of cancer, and i hope it stays that way....

quote:
Kylie Minogue an Actress ? she was awesome in Street Fighter



Whether she was a good actress or bad actress, the fact remains, she WAS an actress.

Webshaman,

quote:
Why aren't they getting the attention that this disease deserves?




If all the other cancer sufferers where in the public eye, i have no doubt that they too would have the attention it deserves.

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Blaise
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: London
Insane since: Jun 2003

posted posted 05-18-2005 15:48

Kylies cancer was found in the very early stages, she claims that she'll be back to work in no time at all.

White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: out of nowhere...
Insane since: May 2004

posted posted 05-18-2005 15:52

I'm not trying to make a point here, but it should be noted that Kylie has actively contributed to breast cancer charities and causes in the past, helping to boost the publicity around this worryingly prevalent disease. If it wasn't for the efforts that people like her make (taking advantage of their celebrity to promote good causes), then women could expect even less attention than they already receive.

Also, anybody who has ever worked with/for/alongside her has always been charmed by her warm character and unassuming nature. She is no Diva in the dressing room, and nobody has ever had a bad word to say about her personally.

I'm not really a fan of Kylie as an artist, but I can't help wondering why her misfortune should be met with such flippant dismissal. Sure, she can afford treatments not ready available to those less fortunate, and yes, she can afford the cosmetic surgery that might be required to correct post-operative disfigurement - but it won't be a fraction of what she regularly contributes to such worthwhile causes.

OMG! Imagine telling someone that you've just found out you've a serious illness, only to have them spit, "So? There are people dying all over the place! What makes you special?" It's this sort of attitude that promotes over-bloated foreign charities while children die on our own streets, in our supposedly developed country - the sort of attitude you'd expect from the guy who's campaigned for decades in aid of Help the Aged, while completely unaware of the decomposing corpse of the AOP he never knew lived next door.

It seems so easy to dismiss the potential suffering of a celebrity with such callous abandon, doesn't it? Perhaps this is why so many end up taking their own lives, alone in hotel rooms in an unfamiliar town, unaware that anybody even gives a flying f**k.

Funny how global popularity can't replace close friends and family...

Thankfully, Kylie is one of those people who's warmth, charm, and charitable nature mean that she may never need fear being alone.

It is tragic that some have neither the resources nor the support to carry them through such a disease, but it is no less terrible that someone of Kylie's calibre should also now be facing a long road to assured health.

If one of you had posted that their mother/sister/wife was diagnosed with breast cancer, I should think that the above comments would have incited outrage and serious offence. The fact that it is Kylie only serves to publicise this issue further - bringing it boldly into the public domain.

One thing's for certain - her case can't do any harm to such a cause as cancer charities, and I shouldn't doubt that even once she has been cured, she'll be rallying others all the more to it for the personal experience.

I'm shocked at you all. Have a f***ing heart. :P

(Edited by White Hawk on 05-18-2005 16:00)

kimson
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: The Carpenter Arms
Insane since: Jan 2005

posted posted 05-18-2005 16:01
quote:
I'm shocked at you all. Have a f***ing heart.


I don't think anybody actually said it was easier to have cancer when you're a celebrity, have they? Nor said they were glad about it or didn't care about it or whatever would prove a lack of feelings.
We all sympathise with her; there's just no point making such a fuss about it. This is sad, I sincerely wish she'll get through this with a minimum pain and within a minimum time.
What's happening to her is terrible indeed, but she's lucky they've found out early enough, and it could be much worse.

White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: out of nowhere...
Insane since: May 2004

posted posted 05-18-2005 16:08

*Double-post - apologies*

(Edited by White Hawk on 05-18-2005 16:10)

White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: out of nowhere...
Insane since: May 2004

posted posted 05-18-2005 16:09

Actually, I didn't notice a fuss being made before the first comments dismissing the news.

If it wasn't for widespread news of such things, then the first most of you would know of this terrible disease would be when a close family member or friend is diagnosed - but of course, where's the treatment for a disease that hasn't been dragged into the fore-front for research and investment?

The fact that they found out early enough is testament to the fact that there are procedures in place - that the awareness is there.

It is thanks to the public efforts of people just like Kylie that this is the case.

Take that any way you like it. I've re-read this thread and I'm still dismayed.

kimson
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: The Carpenter Arms
Insane since: Jan 2005

posted posted 05-18-2005 16:30
quote:
It is thanks to the public efforts of people just like Kylie that this is the case


I totally agree. No doubt about this and thank you to these people.


I've already explained my views, I just can't help finding this kind of stories slightly hypocritical. Full stop.

axleclarkeuk
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Swansea, Wales, UK
Insane since: Aug 2001

posted posted 05-18-2005 16:32

I would really like to hear your explanation as to why you find these stories hypocritical Kimson ?

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kimson
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: The Carpenter Arms
Insane since: Jan 2005

posted posted 05-18-2005 16:40

It only looks like the only stories highlighted by the press and media are most of the time those that are likely to touch most people. And the real poverty or loneliness happens to be right beside you, but you never get to know this.
This is how press people earn their bread, I suppose.
I have to say there is one good thing about this, though: people might donate more money to breast cancer charities after this.

White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: out of nowhere...
Insane since: May 2004

posted posted 05-18-2005 17:07

Hypocritical? I don't understand. Are you digging at the celebrities or the press???

Are you saying that celebrities should pretend never to be ill or something?

"Well, screw them if their going to go about dying like ordinary people, eh?"

Ummm... Duhhhhhhhhh!

quote:
I have to say there is one good thing about this, though: people might donate more money to breast cancer charities after this.


Why bother retyping what I've just said after you argued with me??

I give up. Sorry I started. Gah!

(Edited by White Hawk on 05-18-2005 17:09)

kimson
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: The Carpenter Arms
Insane since: Jan 2005

posted posted 05-18-2005 17:12

because I prefer the way i said it

I'm not sure i'm right, honestly, (or maybe i just can't explain myself) so i think it's just as well if i shut it for now, alright?

apologies

Iron Wallaby
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: USA
Insane since: May 2004

posted posted 05-18-2005 18:27

Honestly, I could care less about the actress who has breast cancer. What about all the other women who have cancer (like my best friend's mom who died a few years ago)? There are millions more, and yet the press focus on this one special case?

I hate the media.

I hope at least Kylie and/or others put money into research after this, though. Maybe it would make the media worth something.

Hawk + axle: She's saying the media is hypocritical, not the actress. The reasoning is as follows: millions of women have cancer. The press only focus on the one famous person with cancer; instead of putting the disease itself in the public eye, they hype up this woman who will be a survivor and get even MORE press and even MORE fame when it's all over. They're taking the attention off of the disease and lathering it nice and thick on the actress.

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templar654
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: your backyard!
Insane since: Apr 2004

posted posted 05-18-2005 18:32
quote:
poi said:

she was awesome in Street Fighter



She was in Street Fighter!! How come I never noticed?!?

NoJive
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Land of one Headlight on.
Insane since: May 2001

posted posted 05-18-2005 21:25

Now if "Mental" illness could only get the same coverage and response. Not taking away from 'cancer' but why mental "illness" barely hits the radar, I do not undersstand.

WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 05-18-2005 22:24

Mental illness is harder to define and diagnose; Cancer is not.

And I think that the Press is being hypocritical, certainly. Headlines like that make money. They virtually scream for attention. However, that is business as usual.

But the masses sicken me more - because they don't have to turn a blind eye to Breast Cancer - it is entirely possible for them to help in their own, individual way.
Buying newspapers, and tuning into newsprograms for the "lowdown" and "juicy details" about Kylie really isn't helping anything but the pocketbooks of those who produce the newspapers and the programs.

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: France
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 05-19-2005 01:37

axleclarkeuk:

quote:
Obviously you have never had anyone in your family or perhaps a close friend suffer as a result of cancer, and i hope it stays that way....

my cousin have had a breast cancer. She lost one breast. But the tumor was diagnosed early and she's alive. Such thing happen every day and the media don't make a fuss about that. The medias did not covered the cancer of my cousin. Why all that noise for Kylie Minogue ? Ok she's a public figure but is it worth 30 seconds in the TV news ? Some really important things happen in the world.

I'm NOT saying that cancer is a good thing or that she deserves it, far from it, but kimson and others are right. Breast cancer is one of most easily cured, especially when diagnosed early, and Kylie Minogue will have no problem to go in the hands of the good doctors and plastic surgeons. I don't worry about her.


Sorry but I hardly get the point of the fuss about Kylie Minogue and of this thread.

templar654: She played the role of Cammy



(Edited by poi on 05-19-2005 01:54)

NoJive
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Land of one Headlight on.
Insane since: May 2001

posted posted 05-19-2005 03:55
quote:
Mental illness is harder to define and diagnose; Cancer is not.


Not so.

To use a phrase you sometimes use 'I', view that as "simple "party-line" thinking." and I say that without malice.


We (Society) separate "Mental" illness from "Physical" illness only because of the stigma attached to it. Why?

quote:
Because we’re frightened stiff of mental illness we joke about it. We still laugh about people who are "a couple of bricks short of a load" or say "their elevator doesn’t quite go to the top". But we don’t say "he’s one wheelchair too many to be a man" or that "she’s one ‘tit’ removed from a woman." And there’s a reason for this. We’re frightened stiff of mental illness. We don’t say these things because of how devastatingly hurtful they are but we laugh uproariously at references to mental illness. A disc jockey on the radio station I work for once commented that his school was so small that the debating team was one schizophrenic. Ha, ha! Except it’s not funny to those who live with schizophrenia personally or in their family and who well know that the disease has nothing at all to do with "split personality". Society indulges in sort of a gallows humour to cover up its collective insecurity about mental illness.


http://www.rafeonline.com/archive/word/19990627.shtml

Your 'General Practioner' is no more qualified to make a diagnoses of cancer than he/she is to diagnose mental illness.
There are experts in 'both' fields.

As for living with someone mentally ill... this is from one of our own.

http://webbing.serveit.org/scream/index.htm

Thumper
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Deeetroit, MI. USA
Insane since: Mar 2002

posted posted 05-19-2005 05:32

Finding a "cure" (without surgical removal - not really a cure) for cancer will not find it's way into our lifetime. Treating any disease is enormously profitable, preventing it is not.

If you think that the billions of dollars that have gone into cancer research will yield a "cure," think again. If you doubt this, do some research, chase some money trails and prepare to get really pissed off. I did it in the name of one of my family members who died of cancer. The truth is very alarming.

Drugs and surgery never address the root cause of anything unless you've been in a car accident or something.

quote:
One thing's for certain - her case can't do any harm to such a cause as cancer charities, and I shouldn't doubt that even once she has been cured, she'll be rallying others all the more to it for the personal experience.



Unfortunately, these charities are taking dollar after dollar and this epidemic hasn't budged much at all in decades. A quote:

"a solution to cancer would mean the termination of research programs, the obsolescence of skills, the end of dreams of personal glory, triumph over cancer would dry up contributions to self-perpetuating charities and cut off funding from Congress, it would mortally threaten the present clinical establishments by rendering obsolete the expensive surgical, radiological and chemotherapeutic treatments in which so much money, training and equipment is invested. Such fear,however unconscious, may result in resistance and hostility to alternative approaches in proportion as they are therapeutically promising. The new therapy must be disbelieved, denied, discouraged and disallowed at all costs, regardless of actual testing results,and preferably without any testing at all. As we shall see, this pattern has in actuality occurred repeatedly, and almost consistently."

There are treatments out there that can and will combat this disease. You will never hear of them on tv.

(Edited by Thumper on 05-19-2005 05:36)

reisio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Florida
Insane since: Mar 2005

posted posted 05-19-2005 06:48

I've heard about that class of viruses that eat cancer. What I've read is pretty impressive, so there's got to be some weird hangup for people to still be dying from cancer.

WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 05-19-2005 08:09

Nojive, there is a drastic difference between a Mental Illness and Cancer.

Get a few expert opinions on Mental Illness, and they can end up diagnosing different illnesses, and different treatments for the same person. The point is, that Mental illness IS difficult to diagnose correctly - there are certain chemical imabalances that one can sometimes detect - and sometimes not. It depends of what type of mental illness one is suffering from.

Cancer is easier to diagnos, because of the symptoms and because one can test for it.

I don't know why you cannot understand this.

My mother takes lithium for chemical imbalances in her brain that lead to erratic emotional behavior. It may be hereditary in my family. I know my older sister takes lithium, as well. This is a form of mental disease, if you will. It took doctors over 20 years to diagnose it in my mother's case.

Now, don't get me wrong, as it looks like you may be doing. I agree that mental illness is a serious thing. But I believe the topic here is about Kylie and breast Cancer.

White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: out of nowhere...
Insane since: May 2004

posted posted 05-19-2005 11:05

Spot on (twice) WebShaman.

I saw a documentary written and filmed by a guy (a chronic cannabis user) who suffered a psychotic episode and ended up being abmitted because he saw himself as some sort of messiah. Assessment by several 'experts' resulted in a range of diagnosis, all quite different. The argument was settled easily enough by the most senior doctor - he pulled rank.

Strangely, regardless of the diagnosis, the poor fellow was pumped full of the very same drugs as every other patient - supposedly to calm and control while various therapies were carried out.

The drug caused severe neurosis, spasms and convulsions, hallucinations, insomnia, restlessness, mood swings, and (for the first time in his life, ever) a genuine urge to commit suicide.

Several times he tried to leave but was drilled by his therapist on why this would be a terrible mistake - to the point where, in his drugged-induced nervous condition, he became terrified of leaving the institution. His lack of mental balance was continually prodded and encouraged in order to keep him from leaving - something he had a perfect right to do, as he was admitted with his consent; not sectioned.

His partner (who was discouraged from visiting him for the first few weeks of treatment) saw him go from being a somwhat paranoid and confuswed stoner to a wreck of a man who couldn't sit still, twitched and spasmed constantly, alternately flew into fits of sobbing or yammering gibberish, and seemed convinced that he was going completely out of his mind.
Oddly, when his wife brought him a little herbal pick-me-up, the shakes stopped and his manner was considerably calmer and more rational; he relaxed and the effect of the other drugs in his system became less pronounced, and his partner stated that she could virtually see his mind coming back online as she spoke to him.

Shortly after her visit, he discharged himself and has never looked back on what was probably the very worst experience he could ever have imagined having.

He now leads a normal life - assumedly having moderated his previous herbal compulsive consumptions.


This was a blatant example of the difficulties involved in diagnosing and treating some mental illnesses. The mechanisms of the mind and brain are still largely a mystery, and some of the 'cures' are far, far worse than the initial condition.
Perhaps it is a good point then, that people should be made aware of this inadequacy of modern medical science.


My original point though, was that I don't really think that Kylie is the sort of girl who would culture her own little tumour, just for a bit of publicity ( . I'd like to distinguish between the ambiguous motives of your average media mogul, and the conduct or personal agenda of the afflicted star. It is therefore still unfair to shove compassion for Kylie aside simply because the news happens to have reported her misfortune.


As previously stated, I'm not much of a fan of Kylie (though I've never read anything but praise for her). My father, however, is - and I've started to teach him to use the internet.
As he is a fight-hardened 6"7' nutcase with a habit of defending Kylie with energy and passion at my slightest suggestion that she's not all he cracks her up to be, I would warn you all to be a little nicer about her - cos' I promise I'll show him what you said and he'll be very upset. lol

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