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templar654
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: beyond the WEB!
Insane since: Apr 2004

posted posted 06-07-2005 18:42

I know the subject might seem stupid but the question isn't!!

I just love my bird! Even though she seems to be a lunatic canibal bird now and then when she's got too many cashew nuts and almonds in her plate I still have grown a strong liking to her! This brings me to a dilema. I might be leaving for a vacation sometime soon, going abroad, and I don't want to leave my bird behind. I want to take her along with me! That's why I was wondering, is Air Travel i.e. in an aeroplane safe for my parrot?

If you've for some reason forgotten what bird I have although I don't know how a guy can forget a craving canibal bird like mine especially after the past two threads related to her I've posted! Anyway she's an Indian Ring Neck, a young one not too old I'm guessing a few months over a year or so.

Another question. Has anyone ever taken thier birds by plane before? I know sea travel isn't bad for them but air travel? Also where will the bird be? With me as my cabin luggage or somewhere ducked in cargo!!

I MUST KNOW!!!

Jestah
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Long Island, NY
Insane since: Jun 2000

posted posted 06-07-2005 19:00

You might want to contact the airline you're going to be using & a vet.

I don't think it'd be harmful to the bird but what do I know?

F1_error
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: EN27
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 06-07-2005 19:17

Yep contact the airline your using and your vet.
I'd also contact travel agents.
Failing that, I'd try to find some parrot related websites and forums, and ask a metric tonnage of questions there.

bitdamaged
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From: 100101010011 <-- right about here
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 06-07-2005 19:55

There's a sweet irony asking if air travel is bad for a bird



.:[ Never resist a perfect moment ]:.

Rinswind 2th
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Den Haag: The Royal Residence
Insane since: Jul 2000

posted posted 06-07-2005 19:58

As far as i know all animals are put in cages in the cargo bay. With safety regulations and all that it would not be a good idea to put an in the passengers room. Besides where would you put an animal in the passengers area? It does not fit in the hand lugagage compartment above your head and the seats are too expensive to reserve for an screaming bird.

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poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: France
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 06-07-2005 19:58

bitdamaged:
He may ask the airline company if he can tie a link to the tail of the plane and lasso his parrot ... sorry



(Edited by poi on 06-07-2005 20:00)

Ramasax
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: PA, US
Insane since: Feb 2002

posted posted 06-07-2005 20:12

Depending on where you are traveling there could also be quarantine issues as well.


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Wes
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Inside THE BOX
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 06-07-2005 21:15

Feh ... if birds were meant to fly they'd have been given passports.

mahjqa
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: The Demented Side of the Fence
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 06-07-2005 22:29

With all the animal / bird diseases running rampant on the globe you'll find that this will be quite hard to arrange. Where do you live, and where do you intend to go?

krets
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Right-dead center
Insane since: Nov 2002

posted posted 06-07-2005 23:45

Sometimes if you're taking a pet overseas with you there is a certain period of time that the animal has to remain in quarantine to prevent the spread of diseases. When bringing a pet into the US this can be as much as 30 days.

You'll probably also have to have the bird checked out by a vet and given a certificate that it is in good health and has been immunized against rabies and whatever else the country you're traveling to requires.

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Lacuna
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: the Asylum ghetto
Insane since: Oct 2002

posted posted 06-08-2005 00:35

to echo the above posts, definitely check out the destination countries' rules for importing animals and quarantine. in some countries quarantine can be a minimum of 6 months and it's at your expense. import/export laws and guidlines are fairly strict and usually very clear about what animals are/not allowed. all of that information should be readily available from your destination countries' embassy and/or website. some countries will allow you to put your animal into quarantine prior to travel, if it's not stated somewhere, it wouldn't hurt to ask. it's also important to note that places with longer quarantine periods have a higher mortality rates in regards to exotic animals.

if you're allowed to take your bird, your next step should be calling whichever airline you're going to travel on. each airline has different requirements regarding what your bird will be transported in and it's size, as well as any documentation they will require from your vet.
animals are generally transported in the cargo hold (there are exceptions to this where the animal is allowed to travel in the passenger compartment, but it depends on the airline). you'll need to be sure there's more than enough food/water available for the duration of travel. also keep in mind that most cargo holds are not heated, so the temps can get pretty low. be sure to ask the airline about that.

your next stop should be your vet. after an exam, they'll give you a health certificate, as well as any documentation you'd need for vaccinations. it's a good idea to get a copy of your bird's complete medical history from your vet. they may charge a small fee for making the copy, but it's much easier than trying to have vets in different countries contact one another.

if you're planning on returning to your country of origin with the bird, you'd better make sure that they will allow the bird back in the country. depending on where you're going and how long you will be there, they my not allow your bird to re-enter. it's worth checking out before you leave.

templar654
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: beyond the WEB!
Insane since: Apr 2004

posted posted 06-08-2005 11:13

Quarantine?? It's a parrot man!! So what it's all crazy and what not still quarantine! It's not like she's got the Ebola Virus or something... quarantine!

We haven't decided which airline yet but I'm guessing something cheap...

quote:

mahjqa said:

Where do you live, and where do you intend to go?


I live in Pakistan and we're thinking of going to England for a month or so... I have an uncle he works in an Airline but they don't go that far. He said if we wanted to go somewhere in the airlines route he'd arrange for the parrot to be with the pilot... it would be nice to see a parrot flying a plane!

mahjqa
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: The Demented Side of the Fence
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 06-08-2005 11:49

England? You're f00ked. The site linked only deals with mammals, but them Englanders are pretty strict on what they do and don't want to import. You're going to have to deal with tons of paperwork even if you're from the EU, not to mention what you'll have to go through if you're from pakistan. Other sites m ention that taking an animal with you on your trip is going to cost you more than your own plane ticket. (since you are NOT ALLOWED to take the pet with you in the plane, it'll have to be shipped as cargo.)


(Edited by mahjqa on 06-08-2005 11:53)

Lord_Fukutoku
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Back in West Texas... How disappointing
Insane since: Jul 2002

posted posted 06-08-2005 15:57

Speaking of airports and animal quarantines: http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/06/08/australia.fish.reut/index.html

Rinswind 2th
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Den Haag: The Royal Residence
Insane since: Jul 2000

posted posted 06-08-2005 19:24

If it's only for a month i would ask a good friend to take care about the animal while you are gone. Taking an animal with you might be a good idea when you are going to emigrate to another country. But i would not bother with all the fuss when it's only for a month.

Besides when it's a protected species you are not even allowed to import the animal. Yes that's what we are talking about importing an animal to an strictly protected EU country. If it's not allowed in the customs will take it away from you.

Perhaps when you disguise it as an bomb you might have a little chance

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templar654
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: beyond the WEB!
Insane since: Apr 2004

posted posted 06-09-2005 09:56

Awe... ... I guess the only option left is go by ship!! I don't feel that comfortable to leave my bird with someone else, she get's kind of lonely when she doesn't see me or my mother around. The day my brother left to go abroad (job and stuff) she was so sad she didn't eat or talk for a whole day! I like her!

mahjqa
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: The Demented Side of the Fence
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 06-09-2005 14:50

Supply the bird with a giant cardboard cutout of yourself, or a giant picture. Tape yourself with a videocam and let someone play it on a TV close to the cage.

(These are half-serious recommendations, but they help'er through the month...)

Skaarjj
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From: :morF
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 06-09-2005 15:10
quote:

templar654 said:

Quarantine?? It's a parrot man!! So what it's all crazy and what not still quarantine! It's not like she's got the Ebola Virus or something... quarantine!




Quarantine is not becuase your animal is sick, but becuase:

  • She may potentially be sick and it hasn't been picked up on
  • She may be carrying some kind of parasite that they don't wish to have introduced into their country
  • It may be for her own protection too; and/or
  • It's the law, get over it.




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Lacuna
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: the Asylum ghetto
Insane since: Oct 2002

posted posted 06-09-2005 15:29
quote:

templar654 said:

Awe... ...
I guess the only option left is go by ship!! I don't feel that
comfortable to leave my bird with someone else, she get's kind of
lonely when she doesn't see me or my mother around. The day my brother
left to go abroad (job and stuff) she was so sad she didn't eat or talk
for a whole day! I like her!



wheather you're flying or going by ship, the customs laws are still the same.

i understand how you feel about your bird, but you're only going to be gone for a month and travel is fairly stressful on animals. she'll be fine if you leave her with someone else. it's not like she's going to be so depressed during your absense that she starves herself to the point of falling dead offa her perch.... she doesn't love you that much.

zavaboy
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: f(x)
Insane since: Jun 2004

posted posted 06-09-2005 19:01

Well, as I see it, you have three options:

  • Don't go on the vacation if you'd rather stay with your bird.
  • Go on vacation and leave your bird with a (trusted) friend (who likes birds) for a month.
  • If you REALLY REALLY want to go on vacation with your bird, check customs, get the bird checked up, fill out papers, ect. and make sure your all clear in both countries for both departure and return and have proof of it, just in case.





(Edited by zavaboy on 06-09-2005 19:02)

templar654
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: beyond the WEB!
Insane since: Apr 2004

posted posted 06-10-2005 02:54
quote:

Lacuna said:

wheather you're flying or going by ship, the customs laws are still the same.


Don't you just hate the law

I wonder if I can take her in my pocket! Of course I'd need alot of padding to overcome her caniballistic acts!

Skaarjj
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: :morF
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 06-10-2005 09:41
quote:

templar654 said:

Don't you just hate the law



Well, when I consider quarantine laws here in Australia, the fragility of our native ecosystem and how much of it has already been devestated by the introduction of such non-native creatures like foxes, cats, rabbits and cane toads... no, I don't. I'm grateful for them.


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White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: zero divided.
Insane since: May 2004

posted posted 06-10-2005 14:11

Whatever happens, you'll still have to take quarantine requirements into consideration. The following might be useful info.:

Importing captive birds from outside the EU (pdf).

Being from Britain, I'd say that the quarantine laws are essential. It's how we've virtually eradicated diseases like rabies while France still suffers it - though more lenient laws within the EU have seen a rise in wildlife diseases here recently.

FYI - birds are more likely to spread a damaging contagion than most animals - think about it. Even if a dog has rabies, it can't fly over wide areas spreading it. With a large number of endangered species (apologies to the bird world on behalf of British neglect and abuse), it could be devastating to allow just one bird with, for instance, bird-flu into the country un-checked.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzz....

Skaarjj
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: :morF
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 06-10-2005 14:38

Not to mention the risk to humans from the aforementioned bird flu


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