Topic awaiting preservation: A List of those who should not be considered sick. (Page 1 of 1)

This is going to sound very coldhearted and uncaring but I don't really care as far as I am concerned these people are not sick. Apologies to those who may know someone that could be described.

The following people are not sick:

Anybody with Bullimia: This is not an illness it is a choice. I know that it is written as a psychological disorder under anxiety problems (I learned that in a psych course) but they are not sick. This is a purely rich american piece of $h^& excuse for sympathy. This has got to be ( or at least I hope it is) the only country that has people looking in the dumpster for peach pit to chew on while these lazy, pompous rich slobs go eat a nice dinner of lobster or steak and then go a puke it up intentionally. If your just going to throw up your dinner on purpose your wasting resource and you are a waste. You might as well not eat your dinner and give it to the poor chap looking for the peach pit. He'll put it to better use.

That brings me to the next case of people who are not to be considered sick.

Anybody with Anorexia: what bullsquat is this? "I don't wanna eat" fine don't eat. your not sick your just stupid and suicidal. Why don't you go step in front of a train right after you don't eat.

there you go folks. There may be more to come. add some if you like but for now that's that.

History is nothing but a fable that has been agreed upon.
-Napolean Bonaparte

I don't know enough about psychology to discuss whether bulimia and anorexia are diseases, but you certainly haven't said anything to convince me otherwise. Your arguments seem to be based on nothing more than anger against people with these problems.

Personally, I've never heard of bulimia's status as a disease being used as an excuse for sympathy; more often, I've heard it used as a reason to get help.


 

Agreed - that seems nothing more than a personal expression of ire. Have an argument in Psych' class?

I have to agree though, that a number of so-called 'mental illnesses' could be better classified as a 'mental state' - the result of an adverse psychological condition rather than a chemically-treatable imbalance.

But then the behaviour of someone intent on causing themselves harm (whether it be by diet-related extremes or self-mutilation) is often easily pinned on an underlying mental condition that can appear immediately responsive to the administration of drugs.

I've personally always had a problem with the willingness of some average, ordinary GPs with little or no education in psychology/psychotherapy, to throw anti-depressants around like sweets.
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Did very little digging but found the following snippet on anorexia (IMO, the most likely of the two to actually be plausibly connected to some sort of mental disorder) here:

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In treating adolescents, he focuses on getting them to eat again, not on any underlying psychological issues. "You can't give psychotherapy to someone who doesn't have enough glucose in their brain," he says.

A pair of studies has shown that that kind of approach works 90% of the time, helping patients gain back their weight and keep it on. But the reason that anorexia is so fatal is that the 10% of patients who don't get better are likely to starve to death. When standard treatment is not working, le Grange brings in Jennifer Bremer, head of the University of Chicago's Eating Disorders Psychopharmacology Clinic, to consider prescribing medicines. One of her only choices is Zyprexa.

"We have no good data yet to support the use of any medications for anorexia nervosa," Bremer says. But even though there is a paucity of hard evidence, she is willing to prescribe the drug to patients whose families recognize its inherent risks. "We do this because we know how deadly anorexia is and are willing to use what appears useful in cases doing poorly, even when the data is not yet there."

One reason that Zyprexa is useful is what is normally an unwanted side effect in a large proportion of patients: the drug causes weight gain.

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Well, there you go. It would seem that there is existing support for your case, even if the page title is "Anorexia: The Most Deadly Mental Illness'.

There is obviously an awful lot more than that around on both "illnesses", but it's a start...

Sangreal: Am I missing the point or just daft?

People with bulimia and anorexia are sick, mentally, and they both are very serious illnesses. Why are you bashing them anyways? I wouldn't think you qualified to do so unless you have suffered from such a condition first hand, therefore I'll just conclude you are expressing some sort of outrage in ignorance.

Carry on.


Ramasax
www.AmericanSerf.us

Sorry - forgot to fill-in the link.

Forbes.

No, I can understand Sangreals point of view. Don't agree with it at all, but I understand why he would think it's not really an illness. I don't work in psychology, but medicine. And I've ran across some anorexics and bulemics when they get sick and come to the hospital for medical reasons. So it's at the point where their families don't know yet what's really wrong. Of course, I have to tell them and convince them to get their daughter mental help.

Their families usually don't understand at all. They just say, that's crazy. Why would she not eat? Or that they don't need any help they'll just make sure the girl eats. They can't fathom it because it seems so trivial, so easy to fix. It's really a complicated illness. And the reason it is found mostly in middle-class Americans is because we have the means and prosperity to use food as comfort measures. Well, that's ONE of the reasons.

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In the web that is my own, I begin again...

(Edited by Belladonna on 07-03-2005 17:19)

Well doctors and psychiatrists would disagree with you, but you have taken PSY 101, Introduction to Psychology so I guess you're the expert.

I personally put a lot of faith in the DSM IV. Things listed in there are generally well investigated before they qualify for a listing. Both Anorexia Nervosa and Bulemia are listed, as is the mental disorder I suffer from, Anxiety/Panic Disorder. As is Depression, as is Schitzophrenia, as are a multitude of other things. Any number of which, including my own disorder, could be looked at under the same light you displayed here in regards to Anorexia and Bulemia. I don't seem them like this, at all, and I, in fact, find your view to be very biased and ignorant. This kind of viewpoint is what keeps these things from being treated correctly, and may keep people from seeking treatment in the first place, which may very well mean they will die. Becuase it's not a simple case of 'well if they wanted to they could just start eating'. It doesn't work like that, becuase if it worked like that they wouldn't have stopped in the first place.

So now I, like the rest, await hearing your reasonings behind this little pseudo-rant.


Justice 4 Pat Richard

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there you go folks. There may be more to come. add some if you like but for now that's that.

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Well, as an addition to this pile of crap, since you're asking for it, here is my contribution: people who suffer from pathetic ignorance and frenetic egoism might as well seek for help, especially if they think they are far above from what you call stupidity (see, my definition of stupidity is not quite like yours); lucky you, I wish I had been gifted with such a wisdom, just like you.

Oh and by the way:

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This is not an illness it is a choice.

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Just one advice: go back to your books, mate. Just wondering what they teach you in your psycho lessons (as you've been perfectly explained above).

Thank you ever so much for your dramatic contribution to my enlightment, I couldn't have done without such precious information.
Now good job you have said all that, I won't have to make myself sick after lunch, reading your shit will be just enough.

two words:

George Carlin

~this is not a signature~

^That's what I was thinkin'

Bell, you're a doctor? Are you specialized in anything, or just in general practice?

"For reason is a property of God's...moreover, there is nothing He does not wish to be investigated and understood by reason." ~Tertullian de paenitentia Carthaginian Historian 2nd century AD

gideon
. But it's not really the idea that's carlish. It's actually a transcript. Aint that so sangreal?

Whoever the fuck wrote this, in that case, needs to wake up to themselves... build a bridge, yeesh.


Justice 4 Pat Richard

THANK YOU ARTHEMIS.
I was beggining to think my little test was going to fail. That first post was almost a complete direct quote from the aformention comic (and former actor of Mr. Conductor) George Carlin. I was really meaning for Gideon to get it first but it appears I have met a fellow fan. Both those disorders are bad for peoples general health and those who are truely afflicted by it need AND DESERVE help. The only people who do not need to be considered sick are these two cases. (THis is not a test nor comic this is real folks.)
1.There is actually a group of people in Australia who are trying to get what can only be termed as 'sleep-f*cking' as an actual mental disorder. Apparently one lady kept getting up and havingn sexual relationships with strange men and going back to bed with their hubby without ever waking up or fully realizing it. And now all of a sudden that she went public with it ten or twelve other cases (of both men and women) are popping up. Sounds to me like a convient excuse to have an affair.

2. Shop-a-holics. This is where I agree with the whole it's a choice thing. THis isn't a disease it's a lack of will power. The most disgusting case I have ever heard of it was actually on the television. Apparently this lady was widowed by 9/11 and tons of people donated money to her and she made millions of dollars or some obscene amount that she said was going to go towards a whole 9/11 fund or charity or some such. Anyways she blew the whole thing on new dresses and tickets to this or that and vacations and she went on television crying about how she was so sorry and she couldn't help it and blaw blaw blaw blaw. Sounds like a con and a fraud to me who did nothing but prey on that day.


Sorry if I have pissed anybody of terribly. I never meant to imply I was an 'expert' nor that I am some all-knowing person. Gideon will tell you Kimson that I do a LOT of stupid stuff. This apparently was one of them. But in the future if your offended by something. Don't read it. And if you really want to hear a bunch of crap and ignorance and and get sick I will get you the link to the site but I think it's something like elijah2.com. The person that made that should be shot. And even that death would be to good. Basically what I got from the site (which i happended upon by accident) was that this ddumbass thinks the Jewish people staged the holocaust for pity and then goes into a whole bunch of neo-nazi propaganda that he claims is backed by the bible.


And if anybody thinks that I am just agreeing with Arthemis as a way out I am not. I have two of Carlins cds. One of his live performances on time and all of his books (to my knowledge). If anybody would like a list of titles to verify this statement I will happily give it.

Geez DL what are you an english teacher?

*Hands Sangreal 5 black pills*

Ramasax
www.AmericanSerf.us

I feel like a prick now, cheers

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This has got to be ( or at least I hope it is) the only country that has people looking in the dumpster for peach pit to chew on while these lazy, pompous rich slobs go eat a nice dinner of lobster or steak and then go a puke it up intentionally.

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Yea, way to steal that exact quote word for word from George Carlin on HBO Stand Up .

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And if anybody thinks that I am just agreeing with Arthemis as a way out I am not. I have two of Carlins cds. One of his live performances on time and all of his books (to my knowledge). If anybody would like a list of titles to verify this statement I will happily give it.

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Yuh...
sure.

a 'little test'

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Geez DL what are you an english teacher?

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Uh....this is the first post I've made in this thread....

I was confused by that as well, DL. I just assumed it was his sig.

Which, indeed, it is. Sangreal, please change that sig.


Justice 4 Pat Richard

DL,
Yeah sorry now that I read that post the sig is real confusing hopefully this one will do better til I find a quote I like.. Just meant it as a joke on the fact that it seems like every time I post you have a grammar correction or some other thing like that.

also from this quote:
"Yuh...
sure.

a 'little test' "

(and I could be wrong on this)
It seems like you would like that list so here it is.

Two Cds:
Complaints and Grievances
and
You are all Diseased.

Books:
Brain Droppings,
Napalm and Silly Putty,
and
When will Jesus serve the Pork Chops.

On Cassete Tape
More Napalm and Silly Putty.

On Video Cassete tape. (priveously mentioned as a live performance on time I meant on tape)

Carlin on Campus.

He has also made appearances in movies such as:
Bill and Ted's Bogus Adventure
Bill and Ted's Awesome Adventure
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back
Working Trash
as a voice character in Tarzan 2
Dogma
and probably others.

He also took turns playing Mr. Conductor on Shining Time station (Otherwise known as Thomas the Tank Engine).

Need more proof?

When people say 'clean as a whistle' they forget that a whistle is full of spit.

oops probably should have put quotes around the sig. I change that.

When people say 'clean as a whistle' they forget that a whistle is full of spit.

One way to keep people from confusing your sig as part of your post (especially if the sig is plain text) is to put a line over it...

Like this:

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Suho: www.liminality.org | Cell 270 | Sig Rotator | the Fellowship of Sup

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It seems like you would like that list so here it is.

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Not really
I don't see what being able to list such things has to do with posting such an assinine post and then trying to pretend you didn't mean it...

"need more proof?"


Proof....that you know Carlin's material?
Uh...no. Thanks all the same...


But anyway...

The reason I (among many other people) post such comments about your grammar and general communication skills is because they are absolutely terrible, and you can never seem to get a coherent point across because of it.

Soooo...we done here?

I believe we should be. Sangreal's sig no longer questions DL's accurate corrections, and I hope Sangreal also realises that 'tests' like this only make him look like an ass; not generally considered to be the best impression one can make. I personally still question if it were a test, or if this was an eleventh hour excuse come up with when Sangreal realised that no one was agreeing with the material (originally satirical or no) that he chose to post. Meh, we may never know


Justice 4 Pat Richard

I never meant to question DL's accurate corrections. They are accurate, I just wanted to know why he cares so much about mine. I am sure that I can find grammatical errors in Gideon's posts, as well as in the posts of just about everyone on this forum. So why single mine out? If I were aware that this was an English class I would have been more careful.
As far as posting something and then pretending I didn't mean it goes well, I don't believe it entirely. I do, however, believe that eating just to throw up is wrong and a horrible waste of resources.
Regarding question of my use of the word ?test? I was merely meaning that I was trying to find other fans of George Carlin in a more creative way then wasting everybody?s time with a thread that asks that question.
For my generally terrible communication skills and lack of ability to get a coherent message across: If you didn?t understand what I have posted DL how can you make a retort? Also I would like to see you type coherently at 3 a.m. and are hopped up on caffeine. Not that this should really be an excuse it was my choice.
Skaarj, I make an ass of myself very regularly. Amongst many of my friends it is considered to be one of my hobbies. By the way, DL-44 you won?t have to bother yourself with checking this for grammatical errors I ran it through Microsoft Word?s Spell and Grammar Check.
One last item for this post; Suho, how do you put a line there?
And Yes, I do believe we are done with this thread, continuing would be pointless.

"When people say 'clean as a whistle' they forget that a whistle is full of spit."

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Regarding question of my use of the word ?test? I was merely meaning that I was trying to find other fans of George Carlin in a more creative way then wasting everybody?s time with a thread that asks that question.

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Better to waste everybody's time by replying to a post seemingly full of ignorance and making an ass out of yourself?

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I make an ass of myself very regularly. Amongst many of my friends it is considered to be one of my hobbies.

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And a successful hobby at that. Keep up the good work.

Ramasax
www.AmericanSerf.us

Sangreal: the line above my sig is just a row of keyboard underlines (_). Just hit shift and then the minus symbol (not the one on the numeric keypad).

Oh, and I wouldn't put complete trust in MS Word's grammar/spell check. The spell check is pretty good, but the grammar check is horrendous. I sometimes mock the MS Word grammar check when I'm bored.

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Suho: www.liminality.org | Cell 270 | Sig Rotator | the Fellowship of Sup

Yes, trusting Word with your grammar is like trusting McDonalds with your health.

ROFL

Ramasax
www.AmericanSerf.us

aAnd if you live in Australia, trusting it with your spelling is a gamble that's not worth taking, either. WHen they constructed their 'Australian English' dictionary they didn't actually change anything. Colour is still color, accessorise is still accessorize... and so on and so forth...


Justice 4 Pat Richard

Oooooh... a hot debate. I have only read a couple of posts, mainly Sangreal's posts,
but this:

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1.There is actually a group of people in Australia who are trying to get what can only be termed as 'sleep-f*cking' as an actual mental disorder. Apparently one lady kept getting up and havingn sexual relationships with strange men and going back to bed with their hubby without ever waking up or fully realizing it.

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I know people who do actually suffer diseases close to the one you describe. Sounds like "an easy excuse"?
Well, dig into "dependent personality disorder", as I can't report private stuff regarding that woman,
an acquaintance, a sick sick person, perfect and sympathetic in all regards, except she just loses control of herself
in some circumstancies. And I mean "loses control", as in "unable to make a choice".

It's hard to convince you about it, but such things do exist: some people just don't have adequate tools to perceive reality,
therefore, what they perceive is very hard to understand to a "more or less balanced" mind, but remains
their only contact to reality.

Dependencies of all kinds tend to show a low self-esteem: not at a conscious level, but at a deeper, inner level.
Sexual or romance addiction exist in persons who are unable to value themselves, and you can't imagine
to which extent their beliefs/perceptions are skewed compared to a so-said balanced person.

Here, we already have to draw a line: can this person, who has caused harm to married famillies, be prosecuted for her behavior?
I say yes. She is trying to live up to the standards of a society, so she is responsible of the things she does.
Is she likely to change behavior due to punishment? No. That's impossible, plain and simple.

Even worse in the case you describe.

This said, a "balanced" person only is a person with a mindset that is adequate for a given social environment...
Eg. a person that won't suffer or die in a given environment because of her own ways of thinking.

Think about living in a society that feeds on insects. Think of being the only person refusing to eat insects for the
sake of your belief system. Would you deserve death for being so different?