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Are all our Londoner inmates alright?This was meant to happen, wasn't it?

Meant to happen? No...

depends where you read but apparently they weren't power surge explosions but infact bombs, from what I've read nobody is dead just a few walking wounded, I work in Bank at the moment so am practically in the epicenter of it all, but it's pretty calm at the moment, people are concerned and teh authorities are sorting out,

Cheers,

I guess it does depend on where you read. What I've read so far this morning; at least 5 explosions reported in the Underground, 2 trains collided in the Underground, and at least 3 double decker busses have blown up. If that all is at least half true, and there are no dead it's very lucky.

I wish I knew more, and knew what was true.

Well I've heard more news now from different sources, personally I'd stick to the BBC to hear the most undoctored report, but there's tell of up to 50 dead, a suspected terrorist shot dead in Canary Wharf (unconfirmed), and the army has been mobilized.

Tony Blaire will make a live speech at 12:00pm today, so I guess we'll see what's happening then.

Cheers,

Hope things aren't as bad as the initial reports seem to indicate.

Here is a timeline being updated at BBC.

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Not sure I'm happy about the thread title mate.

I have just been cooling people down on the phone. Some hysteria, but I'm calming relatives, etc. Pointing out how useless hystrionics are to the situation.

Seems that whoever executed this has detonated possibly three devices on the underground and then waited for the buses to be full of people turned-away from the evacuated stations before blowing them up too (three again, perhaps)?

Feeling calm right now because I just so happened to wake up late and miss my chance to be blown up and I'm trying to re-arrange things and get people home.

Seems our installation for the Cats Protection Society will have to be postponed. Urban vermin charities aren't so important right now.

I am feeling placidly psychotic at the moment. Wish I wasn't quite so helpless. Talking people down on the phone and determining the facts is my current distraction.

Mixed thoughts - who should wrath be aimed at? What can I do?

Pointless but sincere vow: Show me one of the bastards who did this and I'll show you the colour of his guts. Cowardly, vile, scum - if I can find you, I'll tear you apart.

Just got a phone call from a gentlman in Washington DC, asking after his aunt, worried about the news. Seems she has a new number. Should have called her more often, shouldn't he? Now he's probably one of many thousands of calls jamming the phones here. *sheesh*

Edit: inappropriate sig.

(Edited by White Hawk on 07-07-2005 13:05)

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Tony Blaire will make a live speech at 12:00pm today, so I guess we'll see what's happening then.

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He was apparently supposed to make it well earlier. I hope we'll be kept updated soon, as you said.

Update: live now

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Not sure I'm happy about the thread title mate.

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Sincere apologies. Was not meant to be offensive.
Where is it going to lead? This is all I wanted to ask.

All I can do now is pray for the citizens of London and hope that it's not as bad as some of the hysteria makes it out to be. Blaise, White Hawk, and our other London inmates, my prayers are with you.

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Speech confirmed the obvious. Not at all unexpected, but "meant to be"? Misread your intentions, Kimson. No offence - just feeling a little aggressive, methinks. Playing the calm voice at the moment on the phone, but want to hurt whoever did this (pointlessly).

Anyway. Anybody with any sense should have expected this at some point. When better than now? We're so distracted and busy dealing with other things.

Quick note to rubber-neckers and mobile sensationalists jamming networks (though I doubt any of them are in the asylum) - COP ON, YOU MORONS! There are people who really are in the shit and who need to be able to move around and/or make calls! Nothing is gained, but more could be lost. Turn on the telly, go home, or get on with your work so that the emergency services can get on with theirs.

(Edited by White Hawk on 07-07-2005 13:19)

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Anyway. Anybody with any sense should have expected this at some point. When better than now? We're so distracted and busy dealing with other things.

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That's what I meant. When I say "meant to happen", I meant we've been expecting it long enough now, and believe me or not, I thought to myself yesterday I would not be surprised if anything happened shortly.
Then again, I am not trying to raise anger in this forum, sorry if I have not made my point clear enough.
I made the choice to live here in the UK, and I feel very concerned about what's happening.

We have good friends in London. Sure hope they answer their email... soon!

3 underground explosion...1 above...that being the double-decker bus and they're now saying fatalities could be in double digits.

Thinking about you inmates over there... take care please.

No worries Kimson, as I said, I misread. Still don't like the thread title, I'm afraid, but not much can be done about that.

Hope you and yours are okay - as with any other inmates from London or with friends and relatives here.

Right - the whole attack was very deliberately co-ordinated to cause maximum carnage and casualties. All lines are closed on the underground, London is gridlocked in most places, and the networks are jammed. The number of dead has been reported variously as 20 - 50, and hundreds have been injured.

Doesn't really compare to 9/11 of course, but it is pretty horrific.

Anger.

Still, this is London - we'll move on. Wrong place to pick a fight, but they're going to get more than they asked for - nothing pisses off a Londoner more than having his day wrecked by a terrorist incident.

Unconfirmed reports of a man shot dead at Canary Wharf. Bomber? Wouldn't be surprised if there was an attempt there - security has included detector wipes and vehicle checks at the Wharf since 9/11.

Hang on hang on, this is the problem with the media...!

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The number of dead has been reported variously as 20 - 50, and hundreds have been injured

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I'm not saying your wrong White Hawk but I've been reading from the BBC, the MarketWatch ticker, and Reuters.co.uk, they state that there's only 2 dead with more than 100 injured, and the latest amount of blasts has been stated as 7.

Now I'm not saying I'm right with these quotes either, but we're not going to get any facts for a day or so anyway.

And about the title of the thread, I don't think it's a big deal, it's a question after all not a statement, your first post was sincere enough for me kimson anyway

It looks like Al-Qaeda rears it's ugly head once more...

Blaise - I was not stating it as fact. I was, in fact, pointing out just how variable the reports are.

What BBC24 has reported is as you have posted.

It also seems that a Doctor reported at least ninety injured at just one incident, which would suggest that at least a hundred have been injured. The number of dead is currently being under-reported until it can be confirmed that many 'bodies' seen by evacuees are actually dead, IMO.

My view is that at least twenty people are dead - cobbled together from verious reports from various locations on various channels, and from calls I've received from locations around London.

I should think that the numbers will rise when the smoke (press chaos and network babble) clears.

"London's burning?" I suppose it is fairly pithy, but as I explained, I'm feeling a little agressive.

Now about 190 injured, 150 seriously - has to be a number of deaths in there over the next few hours, eh?

(Edited by White Hawk on 07-07-2005 15:02)

Our thoughts and sympathies go out to all those affected by this senseless act; best wishes from down under.

Yep hope all the London inmates and their fmilies are well - looks like some people will be sleeping under their desks tonight though.

Reports vary widely - the Beeb is saying the total from the hospitals is 185 injured, with a dozen critical or serious and Sky is reporting 300 injured. Only time will tell.

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White Hawk said:

Quick note to rubber-neckers and mobile sensationalists jamming
networks (though I doubt any of them are in the asylum) - COP ON, YOU
MORONS! There are people who really are in the shit and who need to be
able to move around and/or make calls! Nothing is gained, but more
could be lost. Turn on the telly, go home, or get on with your work so
that the emergency services can get on with theirs.

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I'm informed that this is part of the emergency measures. The bombs in madrid were triggered by mobile phone signal so the emergency plan involved shutting the mobile networks down as a first priority so any secondary devices couldn't be triggered as the emergency services went in.

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No worries Kimson, as I said, I misread. Still don't like the thread title, I'm afraid, but not much can be done about that.

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Thank you White Hawk, I am glad you understand my point now.
Believe me, I feel as angry as you, and very much sad about what happened to what I call my "City of heart" (you might find it silly, but I do love London, possibly more than my city of birth).
If anyone can change this thread title to "London" only, please feel free to do so, as I do not like it anymore: I did not realise.
And of course, AGAIN, all these innocent death, it's just unbearable.
Fuck.
Excuse my French.

The full numbers are coming in from hospitals and walking wounded have been treated on the street so it seems it could easily get over 500 wounded with 2 or 3 dozen serious or critical.

The home secretary and the chief of police are now reported to have confirmed 4 bomb explosions - one on the top of a double decker bus and and in three tube stations.

The mobile phone network is now back up and running but still patchy as so many people are phoning home.

It sounds like the emergency plan swung into place perfectly so a big thanks to the planners and the guys on the ground there.

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if I went 'round saying I was an Emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

Here's a statement on the BBC site

Statement claiming London attacks.

Not directly related to Al-Qaeda it seems.

Cheers,

Blaise: Yeah pretty predictable there - vultures!!

Only time will tell.

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Heres an update on numbers:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4659641.stm

about 300 in hospitals with a lot of less seriously injured being treated on thw streets

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if I went 'round saying I was an Emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

The emergency services new conference gives these numbers:

8:51: 100 yards into tunnel Liverpool St. station - 7 confirmed fatalities

8:56: Kings X/Russel Sq - 21 confirmed fatalities

9:15: Edgeware Rd (3 trains involved) - 5 fatalities

9:47: Woburn Sq (bus) - fatalities (unconfirmed numbers)

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if I went 'round saying I was an Emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

This shocked me pretty hard when i heard it on the news this morning.

Best wishes to everyone affected by this horrible attack.

Just thought I'd quickly say that the police made a statement saying that they deny any knowledge of a suspected terrorist being shot, and that it was just a rumour.



(Edited by Blaise on 07-07-2005 17:12)

There are also rumours about new attacks to come in Trafalgar Square, among others. I have been told this by a freind of mine but have not been able to find the source.

Just heard from our friends. It's at times like this.... that this technology shines

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We're all fine and safe at home now. Thanks so much for your email.
It was pretty scary as Joe and other friends travel that way, and Nick lives near by, but thank god they were all at work already and notinvolved. As all mobiles and phone lines were down, email was the only thing that kept us in touch for a couple of hours, and thank god for it; I was so worried before I found out they were all ok.

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A good friend of mine just left for London yesterday. I got a phone call from her mom earlier this morning letting me know everything was alright.

My prayers go out to all those involved.

That national ID legislation should roll right through now, not to mention making those who hand them out to be heros. Who stands to gain? Freedom for security=control.

Seems Netanyahu, Israel's finance minister was warned ahead of time about the blasts also.

Something is not right... And an anonymous post on a message board claiming responsibility is not really something that should be accepted as fact, which is seemingly the case in the media's eyes.

In any case, my prayers go out to all those affected.

edit: BTW, I hope no one takes what I said the wrong way, as I know emotions are likely flared. All I was really trying to say was: question everything.

(Edited by Ramasax on 07-07-2005 21:35)

Does anyone know al Qaeda's motives for this senseless act?
I was about 50 miles away at the time, which is still 150 miles closer than I normally am. My thoughts go out to all the families of the dead, however many they are.

The motive is simple. "divide and conquer" the idea is to drive a wedge between the governments conducting operations in afganistan and iraq by terrorizing their respective civilian populations. it works on some but ive noticed it just strengthens the resolve of most.

my condolences to the families of those lost or injured.

Its a terrible evil cowardly thing to attack innocent people

Well they said on teh BBC broadcasts today that the motives by the islamic extremist group were the same as that of the al Qaeda, to bring down our democratic way of life, and as EzRa-D said.

Ramasax, I know what you mean, it still seems senseless, there was no warning and no ransom, and I was thinking exactly as you mentioned about future security this afternoon as I got home. What will happen now to make things better or 'safer', tighter security and less freedom?

Food for thought indeed, especially as the Olympics have just declared London it's new home in seven years time.

Cheers,

a cousin of mine who lives in the area is thankfully out of town at the moment.

the latest numbers according to BBC: 38 fatalities, 700 injured.

the claim of responsibility by the 'Secret Organization group al Qaeda Organization in Europe' (news source: CNN) has yet to be confirmed.

the logic behind the attack is, at best, seriously flawed. any possible humanity in this incident can only exist in how we respond.

my prayers and thoughts for those involved in and affected by this event.

My thoughts goes the persons affected.

Regarding the people behind these attacks, the modus operandi clearly is that of Al Qaeda : reckoning the place since a long date, striking ( to kill ) multiple times in few minutes, claiming authorship for it serveral hours later with a bogus name of organisation chosen to match the place and context of the strike.

Btw, the plan VigiPirate has been raised to the 3rd level ( on 4 ) in France. It means higher scrutiny and armed soldiers in the public places and transports. I've crossed 8 soldiers with their Famas in the Gare du Nord when I went back home this evening.

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Ezra: The motive is simple. "divide and conquer"

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You are absolutely correct. The question that remains is who is doing the dividing and conquering?

This is hardly the most efficient means of driving a wedge between populations and government, or between governments themselves. As you said, and as I am sure most will concur, the general population generally screams for the blood of whomever the finger is pointed at, regardless of whether they are truly guilty, and our elected officials are always happy to comply. How convenient we have an allleged enemy "the terrists" and specifically CIA trained "Usama Bin Laden" to take the blame, meanwhile our governments can tighten the thumb screw of 'security' at a quicker pace, passing legislation which turns us all into enslaved fools, allowing the companies who get the contracts to setup the "control grid" to clean up in the process. Motive=Profit.

We all know our governments have planned assaults on their civilians before for furthering their agendas. We in the states had the Northwoods Documents (pdf), a plan proposed by our joint chiefs of staff in the early 60's which suggested terror attacks on American civilians as a pretext for invasion of Cuba, which JFK kindly declined. We also have some very big holes in our government's official story on 9/11, with countless allegations of inside involvment. There have been numerous allegations of Spanish intelligence agents being involved in the 3/11 train attacks. There have also been allegations against the British government concerning MI5 agents being involved in and directly supplying the IRA. I am not drawing any conclusions just yet as it would be premature and foolish of me to do so, but I am ever skeptical when something like this occurs, especially when those who stand to gain the most are those in power. What does Al'Queda stand to gain in contrast? Emboldening its enemies?

Who am I to speculate anyway? It is not like these men have ever lied to us before. Mr. Blair would never be involved in something as atrocious as this, even though he did lie to take his country to war with his American pal Bush.

Sarcasm aside, the slaughter of 37 people along with 700+ injuries, innocents just trying to live their lives in peace, is no comparison to the aforementioned deed. These men are bad apples. How do they live with themselves?

I have also been expecting something like this to happen. There is so much going on, lots of people waking up and becoming uncomfortable with increasing government control in their lives. The recent SCOTUS decision on property rights here in the US has a lot of Americans questioning, for example. Or, as I said before, the trouble of pushing the ID cards in England, or lack of enthusiasm in government during the last election.

Events like this tend to quell a population, even bring them around to serve their master's wishes unknowingly, and since we are in a globalized world, that quelling goes further than national borders. Look at the global reverberations of 9/11. There has also been a lot of chatter lately about terror attacks coming, nothing confirmed of course. That coupled with the recent study by OECD, gloabalist researchers, saying that businesses were not carrying enough insurance in the post 9/11 world. What better way to get them on board? What makes more sense, following the trail of those who stand to profit, or some more crazy Arabs who "hate freedom?"

I know this view may be unpopular, but as I said, no conclusions just yet, but again, question everything.

And the most important thing is to expose the people, whoever they are, for the atrocities they commit and the innocents they kill. These acts are not senseless, there is motive, but the motive is impure.

Again, my heart really goes out to everyone over there.

Ramasax
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Well, I've just got back from doing a job that should have been done earlier today.

Yup, the networks are (most likely) shut down in order to prevent a bomb potentially being triggered by mobile, but the very fact that I received a phone call from a stranger in Washington just goes to show how many unnecessary calls were being made. My major problem however, is with the morbid morons who insist on gathering in large crowds to see what is happening, blocking access to more important traffic.
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My heart goes out to those who have suffered this wicked and cowardly attack.

London goes on. What was demonstrated here today was the effectiveness of our emergency services and the procedures in place to deal with a major incident (or several simultaneous ones). A city doesn't go through a couple of decades of IRA bombing without learning a thing or two, and somehow, all this is nothing new. The whole response was well drilled and executed with the precision and control of a millitary operation - everybody involved in the medical and emergency services should be proud of themselves today.

To whomsoever planned this; we'll out-live you! We're not going to be swayed, oppressed, or moved from our way of life by this act. We are not victims - we're made of sterner stuff. We'll fight harder with every blow we're dealt, and this great city will stand taller for all your efforts. It is and always has been our way. You might have broken a few hearts today, but you will never break our resolve.

Right now, I'm proud to be a Londoner.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzz.....

Just read this:

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15:08PM: Respect MP George Galloway says Londoners had "paid the price" for Tony Blair's decision to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan. In a provocative statement he calls on the Prime Minister to withdraw the British troops from Iraq in order to remove people in the UK from "harm's way".

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I think I've said it before - that bloke is a complete and utter, absolute wanker.

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I second that!

I have some relatives in London and they mostly use the public transportation... haven't been able to contact them for a while now

I hope you have been able to get in touch with them now, templar654.

More from Gorgeous George:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=355018&in_page_id=1766&ito=1490

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More on fatalities - they still don't know how many died (and my sympathies esp go out to the forensic people who are having to seive through the wreckage - reports from survivors on the bus are grim) at least 50 less than 100:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15715115&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=terror-death-toll-climbs-to-50---some-bodies-still-in-wreckage-name_page.html

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And who is Omarion? Because they not made any friends today:

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In London, uninjured singer Omarion seeks prayers



NEW YORK (Reuters) - London was the scene of carnage on Thursday after a series of deadly blasts but American R&B crooner Omarion, who suffered no injury or inconvenience, wants people to pray for him.

"Omarion was in London during the tragic bombings that struck this morning," a statement by the singer's publicist AR PR Marketing, released hours after the bombings, said.

Making no mention of the fatalities or casualties of the blasts, the singer's statement concluded, "He would like his fans to pray that he has a safe trip and a safe return home. He appreciates your support."

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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050707/325/fmw5r.html

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And on a final note this made me grin:

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A Letter To The Terrorists, From London


July 07, 2005


What the f*ck do you think you're doing?

This is London. We've dealt with your sort before. You don't try and pull this on us.

Do you have any idea how many times our city has been attacked? Whatever you're trying to do, it's not going to work.

All you've done is end some of our lives, and ruin some more. How is that going to help you? You don't get rewarded for this kind of crap.

And if, as your MO indicates, you're an al-Qaeda group, then you're out of your tiny minds.

Because if this is a message to Tony Blair, we've got news for you. We don't much like our government ourselves, or what they do in our name. But, listen very clearly. We'll deal with that ourselves. We're London, and we've got our own way of doing things, and it doesn't involve tossing bombs around where innocent people are going about their lives.

And that's because we're better than you. Everyone is better than you. Our city works. We rather like it. And we're going to go about our lives. We're going to take care of the lives you ruined. And then we're going to work. And we're going down the pub.

So you can pack up your bombs, put them in your arseholes, and get the f*ck out of our city.

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http://www.lnreview.co.uk/news/005167.php

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if I went 'round saying I was an Emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

(Edited by Emperor on 07-08-2005 14:28)

Emps, thanks for this, it shows some other point of views.
Needless to say poor Omarion can bugger off home without the slightest thought from me...
Who do some people think they are?
And this letters is not very clever indeed, but I can understand the anger that is expressed. Not very well written... Who wrote this?

Unfortunately the two links do not work, could you fix this please?

[edit]blooming typo[/edit]

(Edited by kimson on 07-08-2005 13:56)