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Bugimus
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posted posted 11-20-2005 18:40

I apologize in advance for this... but I just have to share

Rugby fan can't explain self-mutilation
November 16, 2005 - 6:49AM

A rugby fan who cut out his testicles with wire cutters to mark a Wales victory is at a loss to explain why he did it.

Geoffrey Huish, 31, performed the impromptu self-surgery in February when his beloved Wales beat world champions England.

After performing the deed, Mr Huish put his severed anatomy in a bag and took them to his local social club to show fellow fans.

He collapsed with blood loss and was rushed to hospital but surgeons could not reattach his missing parts.

He was put in a psychiatric ward but has no history of mental illness and was at a loss to explain why he did it.

"I'd told my pal Gethin Probert before the game that Wales didn't stand a chance," Mr Huish told The Sun.

"It wasn't a bet but I said I'd cut my b*lls off if we won.

"I listened to the game on the radio at home by myself.

"After the match I got up for a pee and saw the cutters in the bathroom.

"Gethin had left them after repairing the chain on my toilet.

"I remembered what I'd said and thought he had left them for me.

"I thought 'Oh no, I haven't got to do anything like that have I' and then I thought 'You can do it'.

"So I started hacking away at my tackle.

"It took about 10 minutes and there was quite a bit of pain but I just kept going.

"The cutters were blunt so I had to keep snipping."

After picking his testicles from the toilet bowl, he went to the social club.

"I went in and shouted out 'I've done it!'," Mr Huish said.

"I took my b*lls out and passed them in the bag to a friend.

"Some people then laid me on the floor."

Mr Huish continues to see a psychiatrist.

"I think about what happened every day and still haven't come up with a good reason why," he said.

"I'd had a lot going on and felt a bit down.

"I can't have kids now but still want a family - maybe I'll adopt."

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Rinswind 2th
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posted posted 11-20-2005 23:17

ouch....

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Diogenes
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posted posted 11-21-2005 00:36

Hmm, may be a position for him in the local choir now.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
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US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

briggl
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posted posted 11-21-2005 00:56

When did Wales become part of Australia?


WebShaman
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posted posted 11-21-2005 01:58

Sounds like "bullocks" to me!

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- Sophocles

JKMabry
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From: raht cheah
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posted posted 11-21-2005 05:56
quote:

briggl said:

When did Wales become part of Australia?




sheep shaggers are sheep shaggers

warjournal
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posted posted 11-21-2005 11:36

Darwin Award.
'Nuff said.

Diogenes
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posted posted 11-21-2005 16:51

"Balls! said the Queen, if I had 'em, I'd be King".

Do yah suppose her majesty is looking into the possibility? It would be the first time in about 100 years anyone in the royal family had any.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

Blaise
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From: London
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posted posted 11-21-2005 18:01
quote:

Diogenes said:

It would be the first time in about 100 years anyone in the royal family had any.


I'm hardly a Royalist, but that statement is bollox...

Diogenes
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posted posted 11-21-2005 20:42

At the risk of being accused of pedantry, I believe that is spelled Ballocks.

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

James02
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From: Indiana, USA
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posted posted 11-21-2005 21:39

How...why...his own...sigh. I guess we will always have stupid people around huh.

"For reason is a property of God's...moreover, there is nothing He does not wish to be investigated and understood by reason." ~Tertullian de paenitentia Carthaginian Historian 2nd century AD

NoJive
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posted posted 11-22-2005 04:31

Well at least he had the balls to do it.

WebShaman
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posted posted 11-22-2005 06:25

^ Not anymore!

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Bugimus
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posted posted 11-22-2005 19:00

I just assumed this guy was from Australia... I missed the Wales bit. But yikes!!! all the same!

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JKMabry
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From: raht cheah
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posted posted 11-22-2005 19:52

At the risk of being accused of pedantry, I believe that is spelled Bollocks.

Diogenes
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From: Right behind you.
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posted posted 11-23-2005 00:27

I stand out-pedanted

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

WebShaman
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From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
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posted posted 11-23-2005 01:45

Bull (as in bulls**t) ocks.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

JKMabry
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From: raht cheah
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posted posted 11-23-2005 03:22

if Tao or Emps could spell they could settle this but alas... scousers can't spell and Emps can't type it if it's not a machine language I fear

/me runs and hides and ducks and covers and stuff

the English and Aussies are gonna smite me

Zynx
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From: Outside Looking In
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posted posted 11-23-2005 03:23

Say I were to say that, " American Football is more physically demanding than any other sport. ", would it best be placed into a completeley different thread, or in the trash?

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NoJive
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posted posted 11-23-2005 04:51
quote:
American Football is more physically demanding than any other sport.



Well I think maybe you should find yourself a nice big comfy chair... sit back...relax with a beer...and thoroughly enjoy the experience of someone else cutting off your balls.

Oh...excuse me... did I start out with thet wrong assumption?

Zynx
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posted posted 11-23-2005 05:07

Dio, did you make a funny?

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WebShaman
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posted posted 11-23-2005 06:46

Actually, I think Irish Curling is the most insane practiced sport art I have ever seen.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

NoJive
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posted posted 11-23-2005 08:23

^ Are you thinking maybe of 'Hurling?'

Kinduva mix of lacrosse with large hardwood spoons that you swing like a bat at the head of the nearest opponent pretending all the while you were really trying to hit the steel-like ball that you lost track of.... oh... 14 steps back... oh I am so sorry... here let me help you up.

Zynx
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From: Outside Looking In
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posted posted 11-23-2005 08:57

One ????

(Edited by Zynx on 11-23-2005 09:06)

Zynx
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posted posted 11-23-2005 09:00

Two ????

(Edited by Zynx on 11-23-2005 09:07)

Zynx
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posted posted 11-23-2005 09:04
quote:
Zynx said:I guess I am the wisest elderly person here?



" American Football is more physically demanding than any other sport. "
I consider YOUR silence as proof enough!

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WebShaman
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posted posted 11-23-2005 11:42

Yes, Irish Hurling. Darn fingers.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Blaise
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From: London
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posted posted 11-23-2005 12:21
quote:

Zynx said:

American Football is more physically demanding than any other sport.

It's Wit like that, that makes me keep coming back to this thread! Love it very very funny

Zynx
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From: Outside Looking In
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posted posted 11-25-2005 02:52

Ok, I see that perhaps the idea of what a sport is might make this question difficult, but let me try:

Of ALL "Ball" sports, which one can inflict the more severe damages to the human body.

# 1) US football

Just my $ 0.02.

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NoJive
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posted posted 11-25-2005 10:28

How about an 8 ball between the eyes? How about a taking one of these head-on

quote:
Fastest Ball Sport
The fastest projectile speed in any moving ball game is approximately 302 km/h (188 mph) in Jai-Alai. This compares with around 270 km/h (170 mph) for a golf ball driven off a tee



http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/content_pages/record.asp?recordid=45183

(Edited by NoJive on 11-25-2005 10:38)

WebShaman
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posted posted 11-25-2005 12:00

Yup. Jai-Alai.

I believe the most strenuous sport per minute is Roman-Greco Wrestling (not to be confused with that trash on TV called Wrestling - I mean the real sport version of it).

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Blaise
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From: London
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posted posted 11-25-2005 12:11

You seriously can't compare American 'Football' to Rugby, American Football is a game for nancy's who hgave to wear pads and protective wear, Rugby is for Men that go out in the cold and brake eachothers backs and jaws whilst pretending to pass the ball around backwards!

That's hard.

WebShaman
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posted posted 11-25-2005 12:20

Blaise, don't udnerestimate the amount of violence in American Style Football. It is enormous. You should take a look at the dark side of the sport - it is pretty sobering.

Average carreer of an American Football player as a Pro - 4 years. The injuries and amount of operations during that time are incredible. Afterwards, most players are a walking wreck - the body is mostly disabled. Joints are blown (after being operated on multiple times, broken, strained, ripped, etc). Back totally messed up, broken bones (multiple times/breaks) - don't even get me started on the fingers, wrists and hands.

It looks like a game.

It feels like a battle.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

kimson
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posted posted 11-25-2005 15:12
quote:

JKMabry said:

if Tao or Emps could spell they could settle this but alas... scousers can't
spell and Emps can't type it if it's not a machine language I fear



Oh! I wouldn't start that debate if I were you

Zynx
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From: Outside Looking In
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posted posted 11-29-2005 03:26
quote:
NoJive said:How about an 8 ball between the eyes? How about a taking one of these head-on.


Now thats funny!

quote:
Fastest Ball Sport,.......................................................................Jai-Alai.


Ok I can see it is a deadly possibility. But based on the percentage of players who play Jai-Alai, DEATH is no more a possibility than any other BALL sport.

quote:
WebShaman said:I believe the most strenuous sport per minute is Roman-Greco Wrestling.


1500 meter butterfly, UFC fights, and other ultimate fighting showdowns, not to mention ANYTHING accomplished ny LANCE ARMSTRONG!

quote:
Blaise said:You seriously can't compare American 'Football' to Rugby, American Football is a game for nancy's who hgave to wear pads and protective wear, Rugby is for Men that go out in the cold and brake eachothers backs and jaws whilst pretending to pass the ball around backwards!


I can & I will! Give to me some time to show U.

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(Edited by Zynx on 11-29-2005 03:28)

Zynx
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posted posted 12-08-2005 04:25
quote:
BlaiseAmerican Football is a game for nancy's who have to wear pads and protective wear,


American Football requires such safety, because, severe physical damage is FACTUAL!

quote:
BlaiseRugby is for Men that go out in the cold and brake each others backs and jaws whilst pretending to pass the ball around backwards!


The potential of severe physical damages in RUGBY, does not compare to the FACTUAL physical damages in American Football!

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Blaise
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posted posted 12-08-2005 12:11

Sure i see what you mean, FACTUAL damage, like when in an England V New Zealand match not too long ago O'Driscol was speared face down into the dirt and had his back broken, just from a legal tackle, in another recent game of Rugby League this time, again England V New Zealand, an England forward took a forearm in the face breaking his jaw in 3 places and parctically caving in his face, the surgeon who worked on him, said he hadn't seen such damage to the human face since car seat belts had been put to use.

Now I'm sure there are similar injuries in American Football, there are certainly more serious ones in Rugby, although a broken back really takes the biscuit here. Rugby players are built of stronger stuff, they don't need the protection.

Anyway Zynx I fear you're a fanboy of American Football so no matter what I say it won't change your opinion right or wrong.

Cheers,

Diogenes
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posted posted 12-08-2005 15:20

US footbal is a vehicle for too many commercials.

Now Canadian football...that's where the action is.

It may be a bit of national pride that Rugby or soccer players don't wear protective gear, but it is sheer stupidity from a personal point of view.

I wonder if there are more old soccer/rugby players able to walk around without pain (assuming they are still alive) than there are old NA footbal players?

Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right.
Isaac Asimov
US science fiction novelist & scholar (1920 - 1992)

Zynx
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posted posted 12-09-2005 01:30
quote:
Blaise said:Anyway Zynx I fear you're a fanboy of American Football so no matter what I say it won't change your opinion right or wrong. Cheers,


Starting here, I'd like to say no. I am not the face-painting, jersey wearing, religiously watching, every Sunday, american football. I am none of these ideas of being a "fanboy" of american football. F.T.S.O.A., American Foorballers=AF.

I am a reasonable person watching a sport who has men of size that Rugby could only imagine to possess. The average AF's dwarfs the average rugby player. Your rugby idea's of "damage" would take a back seat to the horrific human destruction that would entail if AF's played without pads.

quote:
Blaise said:Sure i see what you mean, FACTUAL damage, like when in an
England V New Zealand match not too long ago O'Driscol was speared face down into the dirt and had his back broken, just from a legal tackle, in another recent game of Rugby League this time, again England V New
Zealand, an England forward took a forearm in the face breaking his jaw in 3 places and parctically caving in his face, the surgeon who worked on him, said he hadn't seen such damage to the human face since car
seat belts had been put to use.


You want to mention a broken jaw? Hell people have had their jaw broken in american football WITH a frickin' helmet to offer them protection. So that force not only had to be brutal enough to smash a helmet, it had to be much more brutal to smash the helmet, AND the man's jaw.

quote:
Blaise said:Now I'm sure there are similar injuries in American Football, there are certainly more serious ones in Rugby, although a broken back really takes the biscuit here. Rugby players are built of stronger stuff, they don't need the protection.


I think you, and others, have this idea that the protection that an american footballer = people who don't want to be hurt. "Pussies" I think is your idea. On that idea, just take a look at it this way.

American footballers, need that protection, because of the size, mass, and strength of the average footballer, would result in hospitalization for members of each team every single weekend.

I have seen the damage of rugby players, and AU rules football damages, but those persons are simply not physically anything better, if compared to the american footballers.

Just my $ 0.02.

(Edited by Zynx on 12-09-2005 01:38)

mobrul
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posted posted 12-16-2005 04:16

I can tell you that, after playing 12 seasons of Rugby Union at the High School, Collegiate, and Men's Clubs levels in the United States, Rugby is no lightweight sport.
Neither is Gridiron football (American Football).

But you're comparing apples to oranges here. It's like saying that a swimmer is a better athlete than a tennis player or a marathoner is a better athlete than a powerlifter. Just ain't the same thing.

American Football requires (depending upon the position) speed and agility or mass and power (with some positions requiring a nice combination of the four).

Ruggers - especially of the Union variety - are required to have a good mix of overall athletics, and a healthy dose of endurance and stamina.

Comparing lineman to forwards - American footballers are more valued for their mass, strength and power. And there's power there. Orlando Pace - OT for the (now absolutely f***'n lousy) STL Rams weighs 325 lbs and has a vertical leap of just over 3 feet. That's some serious power.
Forwards - especially the tight 5 - are still valued for their mass, strength and power, but they also have to balance that with the ability to run, tackle, ruck, maul and scrummage for 80 minutes, carry the ball somewhat effectively, support the kick, etc.
Also, ruggers are expected to perform equally well on both sides of the ball - and on special teams.
Obviously your average lineman is going to outperform in a powerlifting contest, but your forward is going to show a broader base of abilities - probably a faster 40m and a faster 100m, certainly better in endurance tests, etc.

Similar comparisons could be made between backs and receivers/d backs and between your loose forwards and your running backs and linebackers.

Just different.

...and hardly does the potential for injury have anything to do with athletic prowess.

Take the helmet away and you don't need the rest of the pads. That's the truth.
Of course, take the helmet away and you better change your tackling style.
Being a former american footballer turned rugger, I learned that the hard way. =)

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