WS and Ian , so are you suggesting for the WC Final that, after both teams have played 90 minutes of normal time then 30 minutes of extra time, that there should be further periods of extra time untill someone scores? ~goes back to check~ Yep, I think that is what you are suggesting.
I have to disagree with your analysis of the situation chaps. The WC as you know is played in all kinds of climates. After what should be a grueling 120 minutes of football I think it would be impractical for 22 players, who by this stage should be exhausted, to continue.
As has been mentioned before, serious injury is more likely to happen the longer the game is played through fatigue.
A replay say a week later is also impractical for the fans, and the chance of that game also going to extra time and still being undecided is a distinct possibility. I wont go into them now but there's also the huge difficulty this senario would present to players clubs, for the insurance, contracts, and planning for the next season.
Nope, it's not an ideal soloution but I still feel penalties are the best way to go.
Er, ok.
Just to round off the Zidane story, in a well stage managed interview with Canal plus in their 8:00pm news slot, Zizou apologises for headbutt, sort of.
quote:This was not something to do. I want to make it clear because it was watched by two billion people and by millions of kids. I want to apologise to them but I can't regret what I did because it would mean that he (Materazzi) was right to say what he said.
All in all I rather enjoyed this thread, a foray into all things World Cup. It started off a little shaky at first, rather tentatively. Then there were some long posts covering quite a few aspects of the game, with quite a few players getting involved too. In the mix we also had great plays and tangents covering football and socialism, football and fonts, football and widgets, football and technology and of course fooball and humour to name but a few.
I think it fair to say that, had they been used, there would have been a fair number of yellow cards given out during the nine pages of "play" too.
It was good for me and I hope it was for you too. See y'all in four years time
From: cEll 513, west wing of the ninth plain Insane since: Dec 2000
posted 07-12-2006 21:42
Tao .. this extra period or alternate "suggestions" to finishing this game would have been simplified if only the Italian GK would have missed ZZ's beautiful header in extra time .. if that header would have found the back of the net .. we wouldn't be discussing this
instead let's talk about the "header" that ZZ displayed against the italian defender! hehe
Tao .. this extra period or alternate "suggestions" to finishing this game would have been simplified if only the Italian GK would have missed ZZ's beautiful header in extra time .. if that header would have found the back of the net .. we wouldn't be discussing this instead let's talk about the "header" that ZZ displayed against the italian defender! hehe.
Agreed Here's the poetry in motion just to remind ourselves of the grace and style involved (Plays three times so you need to refresh the page. I found it too "groundhog day" on continuous).
I am reminded of a scene from about (I think) five years ago when another Frenchman playing for Man United at the time, became so incensed by taunts from a supporter of the opposing team that he launched himself feet first, a' la Bruce Lee into the crowd from the touchline. Priceless. Points if you can guess his name.
Dramatic though that was it does not have the style or panache of the Zizou.
From: Darwin, NT, Australia Insane since: Dec 2003
posted 07-12-2006 23:45
^ Tao; yep that was what I was suggesting..... although no extra time, just 10 mins each way to a result
This would only be to resolve a locked grand final....... I've kicked it around before with players and spectators alike and there has been support; although I grant you.... this is a pointless dream
FWIW..... I'm not suggesting that it would always be a gruelling marathon..... the general con census - sample group 8 - is that it would change the way teams sometimes approach that last vital period....anyway.....
It's been a most enjoyable time, congrats all.... I can't really partake in the more technical aspects of the Asylum... too dumb... photog forum is struggling..... so this WC discussion has had it all
Zidane.....bring it on... It's not sporting I know, but I'm kinda coming 'round ta Ramm's take on this one... hella way to go out.... musta felt good... how often do we all haveta bite our tongue... ohhh yeeeeaaaah THUD
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For some reason that link did not work for me binary, but this is what I was talking about. Ooo Ahh Cantona I think his was given a match suspension and community work to do for this. I think he was only trying to stamp out racism.
Crikey! how did I forget that? Yep, your right there J. Not only that but qualifying starts in September this year.
Uefa has decided to make changes to the qualifying format for 2008.
The qualifying phase consists of one group of eight teams (Group A) and six groups of seven teams (Group B-G).
There will be no play-offs - the top two in each of the seven groups will automatically go through to the finals.
The 14 qualifiers will join hosts Austria and Switzerland who are guaranteed their places at the finals.
When qualifying gets under way in September 2006, the teams will play each other country in their group home and away, with the final round of games taking place in November 2007.
The draw for the Euro 2008 finals is provisionally scheduled for December 2007.
From: The Land of one Headlight on. Insane since: May 2001
posted 07-13-2006 16:19
While the shoot out is a less than satisfactory way to determine a winner... it could, I think, be made much more tolerable by moving the ball back "X" many feet which, in my opinion, would allow the goalie to become a legitimate part of the play.
I say 'legitimate' because I don't think 'guessing' should be the determining factor...because let's face it... that's all the goalie is doing.... guessing where the ball might be going.
Look at the difference in the players over the past 20 years. Bigger, stronger faster. Toe of the boot has changed rather dramatically and what about that BALL! That thing moves now more than anyone could possibly have imagined even just 5 years ago.
As I see it... the only legitimateno goal we see today is when the 'striker' misses the mark. In all other penalty shots where the goalkeep stops the shot he's 'guessing' and you can see it every time.
I don't know how far you'd have to move the ball back... maybe it's 3 feet... maybe it's only a foot but I suggest there is a magic distance the ball could be moved back that would at least somewhat mitigate what the goalie faces in today's player...his boot and that damn ball.
So again I say... if the outcome's to be determined via a shoot out.... the goalkeep has to be a legitimate part of the play.
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ooh argh Cantona
said ooh argh Cantona!
I think he was banned for 8 or 9 months Tao, that was the longest ban I've ever heard of. I think it was something about his mom, what's it with the frenchmen and thier mothers?
While I know that any provocation should be resisted during a match because I know that the provocateur would only be doing it to upset the rhythm of my football. I'm not too sure, if someone insulted my Mother or Sister, if I would not want to adjust their facial features to that of a duck-billed platypus. Red card or no.
[ed]Ah I see WS got a post in during the writing of my post, that happens to me a lot just recently, it just seems to take me so long to write a post nowadays. Yes respect is one of those things that used to be given, whereas nowadays it seems that people have to earn it. AH well there y'are.
NoJive, that's a novel idea that I have not heard before. It does not appeal to me at all but it is a new approach. I think if it is skill that you are looking for to decide the winner of a tied game then why not "keepie uppie"? Either "mono e mono" or "uno en uno" as I think it should be written, or a select few from each team?
From: cEll 513, west wing of the ninth plain Insane since: Dec 2000
posted 07-14-2006 16:55
why not have the pk's taken at the mid-line(much like hockey) .. the goalie can move out and challenge the player .. give the goalie more of a chance and changes the challenge that the players face .. I believe MLS in the states practices this in the early stages of the league
Yes respect is one of those things that used to be given, whereas nowadays it seems that people have to earn it.
This is how I operate, respect is given, not earned. With me you can only lose my respect. World would be a better place if we harkened back to a day where respect was a given.
quote: RammStein said:
why not have the pk's taken at the mid-line(much like hockey) .. the goalie can move out and challenge the player .. give the goalie more of a chance and changes the challenge that the players face .. I believe MLS in the states practices this in the early stages of the league.::. cEll .::. 513
They did indeed do this, the taker started at the 35 yard line and had I believe 5 seconds to net it. The keep could of course come off his line at any time. The US Soccer fans hated it because it was a bastardization of the game. These "shootouts" were used to decide games because the marketing boys figured the American public couldn't handle ties. The outcry was such that shootouts are gone and ties are points shared like everywhere else on the planet.
As for the method itself it allowed for more opportunities to display clever skills but it had it's problems too, most noteably the clock that ran 5 seconds and displayed to the hundredths of a second. Making sure the ball crossed the line with time left was a source of controversy. With the rule change to allow ties it became moot but I don't think it could equal the drama of penalties as a knockout game decider, and it's much easier to judge for the ref crew, less controversy.
Shootouts, golden goals, silver goals, replays, they've been trying stuff for a hundred years and it always comes back to penalties if undecided after 2 full overtimes. That's the only thing that everyone seems to be able to accept as justice and logistically possible. All the same though, everyone still hates to see a big game or big tournament go down to penalties.
I've accepted penalties fully and I love the opportunity it affords to either explode or implode as that deciding spot kick goes where it goes.
From: The Land of one Headlight on. Insane since: May 2001
posted 07-14-2006 23:33
^Perhaps so. But I do think that if the goalkeep actually, and in reality, had the opportunity, make that the 'possibility' of using his SKILLS as have, the other players for the full and extended 'time' .... then if the outcome is decided by a shootout... I wouldn't have too much trouble accepting the end result.
But if...as it did... or does, come down to the goalkeep 'guessing'.... that's a bag of something soft and squishy....and if you've ever changed a diaper you know what I mean. =)
Give the goalie a chance... and I can deal with it.
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News just in. Italian trio relegated to Serie B Serie A sides Juventus, Lazio and Fiorentina have been demoted to the second division for their involvement in Italy's match-fixing scandal.
I can just hear the English premiership checkbooks flipping open
Ramm and NoJive, please come on now, next thing you'll be saying that the ball's the wrong shape, and if the players are saying they really are hurting themselves by falling over , why don't they wear protective armour, and also extend the goal posts upwards by say, thirty or forty feet. Then to add even more skill they should be able to pick the ball up and run with it????
I hope someone is keeping track of all these suggested changes, we could have a new game on our hands. (Or feet,heh)
posted 07-12-2006 19:07
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