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GRUMBLE
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Omicron Persei 8
Insane since: Oct 2000

IP logged posted posted 06-21-2006 09:41 Edit Quote

Hooray for Opera 9!

+ Bittorent
+ Thumbnaill Preview
+ Content Blocker
+ Widgets
+ Site preferences
+ Improved Rich Text Editing

Tyberius Prime
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Germany
Insane since: Sep 2001

IP logged posted posted 06-21-2006 09:56 Edit Quote

Just got it... finally

mas
Maniac (V) Mad Librarian

From: the space between us
Insane since: Sep 2002

IP logged posted posted 06-21-2006 10:21 Edit Quote

hah, posted this before, but it seems my post got eaten by the forum trolls
however, go opera go!

The Space Between Us | My Blog: lukas.grumet.at

CPrompt
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: there...no..there.....
Insane since: May 2001

IP logged posted posted 06-21-2006 15:55 Edit Quote

found out the other day about Opera9 on slashdot. Was wondering when it would be coming out. I've been using the Beta for what seems like a year

I like how they put the widgets as a menu instead of that funky tab thing in the middle of my screen.

I never used opera before until i was getting frustrated with FF and it's "leaking". I know _Mauro had talked about this a few times but until I experienced it for myself a few times....I didn't worry about it.

Later,

C:\

Tao
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

IP logged posted posted 06-22-2006 14:27 Edit Quote

Thanks Grumble. I've never used Opera before so I've just downloaded and installed it and am now using it to peruse the Asylum and to write this post.
I like the way it looks and feels so far. Where Firefox was using 84,408 K as it stands now, with the same amout of tabs open, Opera is using 30,672 K, but I have not had Opera open and running as long as I have Firefox running today.

Oh crumbs! What was my password, heh, going to have to have a few guesses.

::tao:::: ::cell::

Tao
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

IP logged posted posted 06-22-2006 14:37 Edit Quote

Whoa! Good to see those three or four brain cells I still have are still functioning. As I was posting the above I accidentally Alt clicked my mouse while moving it and discovered I had used a mouse gesture and returned to my previous page. Not only that but when I tried to post again Opera told me I had just used a mouse jester, err, I mean gesture and then told me it was preventing a double post...brilliant
I do like this browser.

::tao:::: ::cell::

Moon Shadow
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Rouen, France
Insane since: Jan 2003

IP logged posted posted 06-23-2006 13:45 Edit Quote

I've been using Opera for a few years now, and I never was disappointed.

Opera 9 is brilliant, I wish all these IE users tried it at least once

----
If wishes were fishes, we'd all cast nets.

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 06-23-2006 15:59 Edit Quote

My favorite features are :

+ content block ( bye bye Ad Sense, Intellitext and all those crap )
+ Create search ( try to right-click on a search field )
+ Site preferences ( if ever a site dares to open a popup, I'll disable everything I can )

Of course coding some widgets if fun too.

GRUMBLE
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Omicron Persei 8
Insane since: Oct 2000

IP logged posted posted 06-24-2006 10:23 Edit Quote

yes tao, my favourite opera feature are still the mouse gestures. i cant imagine surfing without them.

_Mauro
Maniac (V) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jul 2005

IP logged posted posted 06-24-2006 10:40 Edit Quote

I now like Opera a lot, but the installer is cheap to say the least.

ten thumbs down, and all my toes as well, for the wreckage while moving from Op 9 beta to Op 9, I lost my...
- bookmarks
- profiles
- widgets
- skins
- settings

That really sucked, why bother making a beta?

More thumbs down on the bittorrent client, it's very intrusive, I have my own advanced client and Op is "hiding" it.
Some thumbs down on resuming downloads, it doesn't work all the time.

Thumbs up on:
- the relative stability. It leaks. Less than other browsers. Firefox being a mem hog, and IE. What is IE already?...
- the overall intuitivity, user friendliness.
- the widgets.
- the speed and clever caching.
- shortcut urls (g => google and stuff like that)

Tyberius Prime
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Germany
Insane since: Sep 2001

IP logged posted posted 06-24-2006 13:22 Edit Quote

aeh... beta. Does not upgrade to full product.
But: Simply coping the profile data did the trick.

I admit that it could have been seamless - but hey, you (and I) are the one(s) using beta software for production.

_Mauro
Maniac (V) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jul 2005

IP logged posted posted 06-24-2006 14:08 Edit Quote

Righto. Had to play the devil's advocate though

GRUMBLE
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Omicron Persei 8
Insane since: Oct 2000

IP logged posted posted 06-24-2006 14:27 Edit Quote

poi, how exactly do you disable intellitext using opera9 ?

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 06-24-2006 15:27 Edit Quote

Thanks for the critiques.
People at Opera are aware that the upgrade can/should be improved ( especially regarding the import of the mails from M2 )

Heck on friday, I even had a bad taste of broken FireFox extension. I had installed a custom toolbar for IRC, and it made the "Create Search" option disappear from the contextual menu. Hopefully Tarquin fixed it in a snap but that sort of things must also be addressed.


GRUMBLE: Right-click > Block Content > Details > New. Then you simply type /
http://*.intellitxt.com/*
or http://*.doubleclick.net/*
or http://*.googlesyndication.com/*

You can also do that, and see all the blocked URLs, in Tools > Preferences > Advanced > Content > Blocked Content

eyezaer
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: the Psychiatric Ward
Insane since: Sep 2000

IP logged posted posted 06-24-2006 22:09 Edit Quote

oooohhhh... I just figured out the new search deal. that rocks out. and the content block is super keen. I been wanting one of those for about 3 years... but you know... lazy.

heh.



(Edited by eyezaer on 06-24-2006 22:10)

CPrompt
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: there...no..there.....
Insane since: May 2001

IP logged posted posted 06-25-2006 06:27 Edit Quote

I like the "Paste and Go" for the address bar and the search panel. Very handy.

Later,

C:\

Tyberius Prime
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Germany
Insane since: Sep 2001

IP logged posted posted 06-26-2006 08:54 Edit Quote

for the record: Update from 8.54 went without any hitch, importing all data I had ( I don't keep my mail in Opera, though)

reisio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Florida
Insane since: Mar 2005

IP logged posted posted 06-27-2006 15:48 Edit Quote
quote:
poi said:

+ Create search ( try to right-click on a search field )


Firefox has this also, just fyi.

DL-44
Lunatic (VI) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

IP logged posted posted 06-27-2006 15:53 Edit Quote

Nope, still don't like Opera =)

reisio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Florida
Insane since: Mar 2005

IP logged posted posted 06-27-2006 15:59 Edit Quote

Agreed.

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 06-27-2006 21:03 Edit Quote

reisio: Oh, thanks, I didn't know that.
When did they added that ? I can't see it mentionned in the release notes of 1.0 -> 1.5.0.4 and don't remenber having seen it in 1.0.x

FWIW I can't stand Opera's default GUI and some of the keyboard shortcut
Actually I HATE the single key shortcuts. But well I know some people who love them and hate Ctrl|Shift|Alt+something shortcuts.

The first thing I do when I install a version of Opera that I'm gonna use more often than not is to install the Tango CL skin, tweak a bit the toolbars and shortcuts so it looks like this. I shouldn't have to do that, but I guess some people do the same with FireFox, Safari, ...

Feature wise, there is two things I miss from Firefox :

- the Shift+Enter and Ctrl+Shift+Enter shortcut when entering a URL.
- the EditCSS extension. Editing the CSS file and reloading the pages from the cache is not as convenient.

HZR
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Cold Sweden
Insane since: Jul 2002

IP logged posted posted 06-27-2006 22:50 Edit Quote
quote:

DL-44 said:

Nope, still don't like Opera =)


Could you elaborate? I'm currently a summer intern at Opera Software (and of course, poi works here too), so all suggestions/opinions are nice.

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 06-27-2006 23:12 Edit Quote

HZR: Btw, it's been a little while since last time we played ping pong together. We have to remedy to that

HZR
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Cold Sweden
Insane since: Jul 2002

IP logged posted posted 06-28-2006 00:35 Edit Quote
quote:

poi said:

HZR: Btw, it's been a little while since last time we played ping pong together. We have to remedy to that


Meet me at the table tomorrow.

reisio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Florida
Insane since: Mar 2005

IP logged posted posted 06-28-2006 04:18 Edit Quote
quote:
poi said:

When did they added that?


I'm not sure myself, but the keyword stuff has been in there for a long time, hopefully it didn't take them too long to add it to the context menu.

DL-44
Lunatic (VI) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

IP logged posted posted 06-28-2006 05:41 Edit Quote
quote:

HZR said:

Could you elaborate? I'm currently a summer intern at Opera Software (and of course, poi works here too), so all suggestions/opinions are nice.


It's difficult to elaborate. It's not one thing or another, it's not any particular functionality. The whole feel of the program just doesn't sit well with me...
It feels clunky, akward. And the look of everything just seems heavy and....off...
I've tried over and over for years to use it, and just can't.

And I *REALLY* hate the way the scrollbar lights up when I hover over it

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 06-28-2006 09:54 Edit Quote

DL-44: That's yet quite helpful.
Basically it seems to be a *major* UI problem.

The 'lights up' correspond to the 'Enable special effects' checkbox in the Skin panel when you right-click > customize.

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 06-28-2006 11:08 Edit Quote

I have to echo DL's sentiments.

I have nothing against Opera that I can nail down.

It is just that...I find it more comfortable and easier to use FF.

There are even some features in Opera that I find truly cool - like having the URLs of old websites, etc that I have visited up at the top - but actually using Opera feels like being in an alien land for me.

Sorry I cannot be more helpful in describing why I don't like Opera. It just "feels" wrong.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

kuckus
Paranoid (IV) Mad Librarian

From: Glieberlermany
Insane since: Dec 2001

IP logged posted posted 06-28-2006 18:06 Edit Quote

I've been giving it a test run, too, the last few days. Have to say that after some customizing, I now like it quite a bit more than initially.



Some of my pros / cons (in no partivualr order and surely not in any way complete as there's much I haven't tested yet)..

Pro
- smooth scrolling
- mouse gestures built-in
- WAND button (not a huge difference in functionality to FF, but I love it, still)
- status info right inside the address bar, no separate status bar
- speedy rendering (might be prejudice, though, I'm not sure )
- "paste & go" and context menu option "go to url" when there's some text selected
- downloads / "transfers" inside a tab
- some cool themes (love the "dapper" one)

Contra
- lots of special effects active by default, need to find the setting poi mentioned
- default toolbar setup (3 separate search fields?? and the floating bar beneath the url field - to me, the main thing that just felt wrong, though I only noticed how much it bugged me after I had it disabled for a bit!)
- extensions only as "widgets" - I kinda miss my gmail notifier, adsense stats, IE view, fireFTP, color picker...
- Poor German translation in some spots ("Paneele" for panels sounds *so* wrong......)
- flickering favicons (on the tabs and beneath the URL, happens when I move across any kind of graphical menue with hover effects)

Another thing I'd really like to see is an easy way to have all bookmarks synchronized with del.icio.us as Flock does it. Doesn't work too well there yet, but I think the Opera folks could get this right =) If done well, that would be a reason for switching...

What I'm not sure about at all are those new widgets things.... I think I just much prefer the "classic" extension system Firefox and Flock have.


In the end the greatest hurdle IMO is the amout of customizing that is required to make it work and feel the way you expect, and while it's great that you can customize almost every bit of Opera this is probably not what most people want to do after installing it, or even expect to be able to do... As a countermeasure, I think it might have been cool to just ask the user what they want their browser to look like - colorful & fresh "Opera" style, or rather something more "classic" without floating toolbars, fading UI controls, etc.

(Edited by kuckus on 06-28-2006 18:16)



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