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mas
Maniac (V) Mad Librarian

From: the space between us
Insane since: Sep 2002

IP logged posted posted 10-19-2006 09:46 Edit Quote

letz hope this piece will spread widely, so that we can get rid of at least a few silly IE6 bugs...

and yes you guessed it right: Mozilla and Opera are still better than IE 7
there you go --> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.mspx

The Space Between Us | My Blog: lukas.grumet.at

liorean
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Umeå, Sweden
Insane since: Sep 2004

IP logged posted posted 10-19-2006 16:36 Edit Quote

I just hope they'll be fast in pushing it out through autoupdate (as they stated they will) so we can get as many non-savvy users to upgrade as possible. It's not on par, but at least it's catching up. Layout and security wise, that is. My problem as a web developer isn't whether I have the browser or not - it's whether the users have it. I want to be able to drop IE6 support come 2008.


For ie8, ie9 there is still work that needs to be done in CSS support, in layout and rendering. They also need to work on the host environment as well. DOM support isn't up to par, handling of XML and namespacing is still the most buggy of all XML engines I know of. SVG, XHTML, XML namespacing in CSS and DOM, gamma correction on PNG etc still needs to be implemented too.

I also hope Microsoft realises that Opera and Apple are on the Mozilla JavaScript 2.0 bandwagon - there will have to be major upgrades to the scripting engine, in slightly a different direction than current JScript.NET. It's always been that way: SpiderMonkey is the de facto reference implementation of JavaScript which the specification will eventually document. It's not for nothing the engine was originally called jsref.

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CPrompt
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: there...no..there.....
Insane since: May 2001

IP logged posted posted 10-19-2006 19:56 Edit Quote

http://secunia.com/Internet_Explorer_Arbitrary_Content_Disclosure_Vulnerability_Test/

Later,

C:\

loj58
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From: I'm over here, now
Insane since: Jul 2006

IP logged posted posted 10-19-2006 20:25 Edit Quote

Boy, MS is really going out on a limb adding all this "new" stuff. I mean how will we ever learn how to use things like tabbed browsing? Sounds really hard to get you mind around. First Al Gore invented the internet then microsoft invents tabbed browsing.... whats next? The wheel?

A search bar right there on the BROWSER?!?!?!?!
WOW, Mickeysoft is on top of thier game. Leave it to MS to come up with all the "NEW" stuff to make our lives easier. I may never go you Ask.com again.

This "new" RSS stuff really takes the cake. You mean I can know if a webpage is updated without even going to it? My WORD!

/end sarchasm
Yeah, I downloaded IE 7 RC. I'm supprized they didn't give it a snazzy new name like... umm, I dunno... Foxfire or something.
/no really end sarchasm

Flashy signature here...

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 10-19-2006 21:56 Edit Quote

Well, as said before, I really hope everyone DLs this, that still uses IE6.

Down with mono-browsing!

Go FF!

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

reisio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Florida
Insane since: Mar 2005

IP logged posted posted 10-19-2006 22:29 Edit Quote

Adobe finally came out with a new Flash release for Linux platforms, too.

redroy
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: 1393
Insane since: Dec 2003

IP logged posted posted 10-20-2006 00:57 Edit Quote

Did reisio just say something nice about Flash?

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 10-20-2006 10:07 Edit Quote

Just one detail, IE7 is not supposed to work on OS prior to WinXP SP2 and that's a lot of people. Not to mention those who don't let windowsUpdate run.

Will try to install IE7 this WE.

liorean
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Umeå, Sweden
Insane since: Sep 2004

IP logged posted posted 10-20-2006 13:42 Edit Quote
quote:
redroy said:

Did reisio just say something nice about Flash?

Nope. Nothing nice, but also nothing nasty.

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GRUMBLE
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Omicron Persei 8
Insane since: Oct 2000

IP logged posted posted 10-21-2006 18:32 Edit Quote

the installation took like 10 minutes...

...the ozoneasylum frontpage has a horizontal scrollbar...

...not so convincing yet.

reisio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Florida
Insane since: Mar 2005

IP logged posted posted 10-22-2006 04:21 Edit Quote

...and Firefox 2.0 is apparently set to go final on Tuesday? Gonna be an interesting year's end.

mas
Maniac (V) Mad Librarian

From: the space between us
Insane since: Sep 2002

IP logged posted posted 10-22-2006 10:13 Edit Quote

the OA doesnt have a horizontal scrollbar here...also not if i downsize the window...

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liorean
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Umeå, Sweden
Insane since: Sep 2004

IP logged posted posted 10-22-2006 18:04 Edit Quote

Wonder how long till Opera gets version 10 out the door as well... I'd love to get to play around with futhark instead of linear_b.

They just bumped the version number on the weekly build to 9.10, by the way.

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poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 10-22-2006 18:49 Edit Quote

Actually my laptop is on winXP SP1. So no. I'm not gonna install 260+ mb just to test a browser. I already have better and safer browsers, mail clients and office suite.

But I'll give it a go soon-ish on my desktop computers.

zavaboy
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: f(x)
Insane since: Jun 2004

IP logged posted posted 10-22-2006 22:03 Edit Quote
quote:
Before you begin:

We recommend that you backup your important files and close all programs.


Is it really that bad?

reisio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Florida
Insane since: Mar 2005

IP logged posted posted 10-23-2006 03:40 Edit Quote

IE _is_ hopelessly integrated into Windows. There's a decent article I got via news.google.com that put forward that IE7 won't get that much following commercially until Vista ships, and then only after a while when most businesses actually take the time to migrate to Vista.

kuckus
Paranoid (IV) Mad Librarian

From: Glieberlermany
Insane since: Dec 2001

IP logged posted posted 10-23-2006 19:15 Edit Quote
quote:

reisio said:

...and Firefox 2.0 is apparently set to go final on Tuesday? Gonna be an interesting year's end.



Happened earlier than that, even:

http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0/



English Windows version here - all the others via the link above

(I think I'll have to change the glassy icon theme, though... almost looking vista-ish )

(Edited by kuckus on 10-23-2006 19:33)

Dracusis
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Brisbane, Australia
Insane since: Apr 2001

IP logged posted posted 10-24-2006 02:03 Edit Quote

<rant>

IE7 is already causing me endless grief. If you make a getURL() call from flash in IE7 and specify a target paramater like so getURL("www.google.com","_blank"); it ignores the target and opens it in the same tab/window/instance. If you publish as flash 8/9 *and* turn off tabbed browsing in IE, it works as expected, go figure!

No, this is not a "popup blocking" feature, it's a bug. Any Flash getURL() call is simply broken IE7 in it's default configuration.

I know, I could use the javascript: url method and use JS to spawn a new window, but the company I work for has a catalouge of 60+ flash 6 casino games that we'd need to update as each game contains a button which spawns an HTML page with the game help file and rules. Opening that page in the same browser instance kills the game session which is a big problem as most of our games need to maintain state, and most of our users will try to view the help file in the middle of a game. Furthermore, if we update any of the games they need to be re-audited at around $4k per game (we're one of the few fully gonvernment regulated casinos, all above board, but it's costly). So, Mr Bush makes it illegal for the US (70% of revenu came form the U.S. last month) to play our games and now M$ breaks them for the rest of our customers unless we dump over a quater of a million $$$ getting them re-audited!

I swear, the U.S. is out to ruin us.

We've been lobbying MS for months about this to no avail, and the issue has been know about for 9 months or more according to some forum posts from pre-release testers I've seen. We've been hyping firefox to our users for the past few months and the stats are starting to slide, but we still have around 75% IE usage.

Honestly, how hard can it be to *not* break something so daftly simple...!?

</rant>

Asside form that glaring issue, IE7 is actualy fairly good standards wise compared to 6. I've been using it as part of our testing suite for the past 4-5 months. Of course, it's still trumped by the likes of Firefox 1.5/2 and Opera, but a step in the right direction for the masses none the less.

p.s. anyone loooking to employ a flash game developer, I might be in need of a new job some time soon

(Edited by Dracusis on 10-24-2006 02:06)

Gothmatum
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From: A place surrounded by turkeys
Insane since: Jul 2006

IP logged posted posted 10-31-2006 21:59 Edit Quote

Is it just me, or is it impossible to DL Firefox 2.0 via IE now?

I installed IE 7 then found out Firefox 2.0 is available. I'm at work and need to do some cross-browser compatability testing for their website anyway. Imagine my surprise when I go to download FF2 and find that IE will not display the page. Tried download.com, snapfiles.com, mirror sites, even went into the on-site consul's office and tried getting to it via IE6... nothing at all.

*sniff sniff* Is that corporate facism I smell?

IMHO IE7 is like a Kate Beckinsale lookalike - it's pretty but it just isn't the real thing.

~~~
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein

lan
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Darwin, NT, Australia
Insane since: Dec 2003

IP logged posted posted 11-02-2006 00:42 Edit Quote

Please tell me my eyes are deceiving me today.....!!!!!??!!

I've just installed IE7..... no choice :-( bah humbug..... and the screen resolution of the text looks shite?

I can't spot an option to adjust it.... am I gettin' old and cranky or am I justified in spitting and raving.. Grrrrrr

[sense] Organisation is anathema to organisations [/sense]

lan
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Darwin, NT, Australia
Insane since: Dec 2003

IP logged posted posted 11-02-2006 07:03 Edit Quote

Yay... fixed

For the benefit of others, there is a default setting in IE7 Internet Options called "Clear Type"; untick it and you will have clear type...... like a lot of IE stuff, it seems to have the opposite effect to what was intended

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 11-02-2006 11:55 Edit Quote

Dunno but the DL of IE7 always failled for me in Opera 9. I guess it's due to some weird HTTP header manipulation.

I thought Håkon wium Lee's paint-job comment about IE7 was a bit harsh, but after giving IE7 a try, I must say that's how it felt to me. I should probably use a bit more because,


Here is what I like:

- the idea of the thumbnails view

- the feeds view

- the loading spinner it's really neat.

- the minimalist skin and the new IE icon


Here is what I dislike:

- First the f*cker forced ClearType. Unticking Cleartype in the settings and clicking the Apply button didn't change anything. I had to restart IE. Ditto for some other settings. duh!

- when closing it with several tabs open I ticked the checkbox to open these tabs the next time but they don't show up.

- Putting the New Tab button on the right hand side of the tabs is completely retarded. It jumps around. Also the button is empty until you hover it.

- the favicon don't show up if they use a relative ( even /favicon.ico ) path. How long will it take them to fix that properly ?

- One site I made, valid xhtml 1.0 strict and css 2, works perfectly in FF1+, OP8+ and IE6 but pooof it's broken in IE7 although I go really really easy on the CSS hacks and only work around IE6-'s broken box model using an !important rule before setting the same property adjusted for IE6.

- Seeing 'Connecting ...' in the title bar of every single tab is at best dull, at worst suspicious. Why the hell does it need to 'connect' somewhere to open a blank tab ?

- the compression of the thumbnails in the tabs preview is a bit excessive. You can clearly see DCT artifacts.

- Also why Oh why do they resize the thumbnails depending of their amount. They did make the choice to have a scrollbar when there is too many. Resizing the thumbnails make them jump around as you close them. The result is that if you want to close several tabs you can't leave you mouse cursor on top of the X button and click repeatedly. You'll en up clicking on the thumbnail itself or land on the webpage you wanted to close. Duh!!

- one more thing about the thumbnail view. If you're in that view and resize the window, IE jumps to the last focused tab. Why ?!

CPrompt
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: there...no..there.....
Insane since: May 2001

IP logged posted posted 11-02-2006 15:01 Edit Quote

well it seems that MS has made IE7 a "High Priority Update". Our corporate headquartes has our computers locked to Auto update and install all high priority patches. Came in yesterday and my computer had rebooted (I never turn it off). When I started it back up...IE7.

I'll stick to Opera for now

Later,

C:\

jive
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Greenville, SC, USA
Insane since: Jan 2002

IP logged posted posted 11-03-2006 00:07 Edit Quote

I'm curious as to how fast IE7 will overtake IE6 now that it is a high priority update... I have not received my automatic update yet.

reisio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Florida
Insane since: Mar 2005

IP logged posted posted 11-03-2006 04:55 Edit Quote

the whole 'Warning: you might lose data, so back up all your stuff before installing IE7' thing put me off it until I can play with it on one of my testing boxes - which will probably have to be updated with a service pack, not sure

it should be nice once the Wine guys perfect its usage

TwoD
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Sweden
Insane since: Aug 2004

IP logged posted posted 11-06-2006 04:17 Edit Quote

Hehe, I wonder if Microsoft ever takes a look at pages like this:
http://www.webstandards.org/2006/11/04/you-can-improve-ie-next/

/TwoD

White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: zero divided.
Insane since: May 2004

IP logged posted posted 11-08-2006 14:09 Edit Quote

Funnily enough, TwoD, most of those tests failed in IE6 too. If they haven't sorted these problems out in the old version, is there any expectation that these thigns will ever be dealt with by Micro$oft?

I have been trying out IE7. It's not as bad as I thought it would be (time to wash my mouth out with soap), but I'm an ardent proponent of Firefox now... until Mozilla do something to screw up their browser, that is. Give it time.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzz.....



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