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CPrompt
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From: there...no..there.....
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IP logged posted posted 11-05-2006 23:44 Edit Quote

more here and here

enjoy.

Later,

C:\

(Edited by CPrompt on 11-05-2006 23:44)

DL-44
Lunatic (VI) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

IP logged posted posted 11-06-2006 17:01 Edit Quote

This leaves me with mixed feelings.

I simply cannot look at the death of Saddam as a bad thing, in any light.

But how many other people are responsible, including US and European leaders who helped prop him up and turned a blind eye to or even encouraged his actions?

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 11-06-2006 17:49 Edit Quote

DL-44 same here.

TwoD
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Sweden
Insane since: Aug 2004

IP logged posted posted 11-06-2006 18:51 Edit Quote

With each executed prisoner, a truth dies aswell...

/TwoD

CPrompt
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: there...no..there.....
Insane since: May 2001

IP logged posted posted 11-06-2006 22:37 Edit Quote
quote:

DL-44 said:

But how many other people are responsible, including US and European leaders who helped prop him up and turned a blind eye to or even encouraged his actions?



can't answer that, but it does make me very afraid for the troops that are in Iraq right now. There will be some serious fighting going on if this is carried out. Which I am sure that it will.

Later,

C:\

NoJive
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Land of one Headlight on.
Insane since: May 2001

IP logged posted posted 11-06-2006 22:46 Edit Quote

Same as DL. And it's not like we don't know that every 'prop' undertaken through out 'history' hasn't ended in a similar state of chaos.

The only history being repeated here that we seem reluctant to acknowledge is that once elected, all leaders apparently get hit with the same 'Stupid Stick.'

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If you're not living life on the edge, you're taking up too much room.

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 11-06-2006 23:27 Edit Quote

All things considered, and being that I am against the Death Penalty - I would rather see Sadam put in a US Penitentiary for life without chance of Parol.

He deserves to live, to witness events as they transpire, and become an object of therapy for all those who were victim to his cruelties. They should allow those who were victimized by him to visit him, to face the monster of their reality.

I will not miss him when he is dead.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Maruman
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: under your bed
Insane since: Oct 2000

IP logged posted posted 11-07-2006 03:14 Edit Quote

i agree with this here. http://radar.smh.com.au/archives/2006/11/saddam_hussein.html

JKMabry
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: raht cheah
Insane since: Aug 2000

IP logged posted posted 11-07-2006 06:11 Edit Quote

I'm not one to take killing lightly, or even the judgement of other human beings for that matter, but imho this is a case of good riddance to bad rubbish from my very limited point of view.

I do believe in capital cases the family of the victims should pronounce judgement and I'm sure there's a few that would be in favor of his being put to death (odds are yes? he's killed hundreds at least). If sentenced to death he'll be afforded the time to make his peace, that begins now, and in the end it's very civilized I think. Life is fatal and justice is something that needs to be carried out when all is said and done.

Maruman
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: under your bed
Insane since: Oct 2000

IP logged posted posted 11-07-2006 06:24 Edit Quote

one death to avenge hundreds of deaths? a murder for a murder? and eye for an eye?

I by no means agree or support saddam, but by killing him two things will happen;

1)he'll become a martyr and create more unrest and violence as his supporters try and avenge his death.

2) USA and those who over throw him become just like saddam when they kill him.

also JK i'm of the opinion that NO ONE, dont care what they've done, should be "legally" killed. lock the bastard up and throw away the key, but its not for a court to decide who lives or dies.

Only one man has the right to kill someone, thats the grim reaper

Arthemis
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Milky Way
Insane since: Nov 2001

IP logged posted posted 11-08-2006 11:13 Edit Quote

Well... nice move, USA. Kill him before he has a chance to speak. Strangely, i never saw any of his defense words mediatized. We get a lot of news about the elections and minor change in politics, but nothing on Sadam speaches. This *is* a bit more important than the OJ Simpson trial for instance. But no one cares hey? They feed you white noise to cover the foulplay, and u don't care.


I do hope some other player does a counter move.
Anyone got a "don't kill sadam before he speaks" protest website ?

Fuck'n USA http://www.robpongi.com/pages/comboFUCKINGUSAHI.html

~this is not a signature~

White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: zero divided.
Insane since: May 2004

IP logged posted posted 11-08-2006 13:43 Edit Quote

Personally, I can't help feeling a little sorry for him. I can't say for sure that he has done anything that hasn't been (and isn't currently being) perpetrated by leaders of other countries the world over. For instance, take a look at the inhumanities being commited in China at this very moment in time. It should also be noted that he would never have had the power he had if it had not been for The West meddling in Middle Eastern affairs.

What does it benefit anyone to put this man to death? He is the product, rather than the creator, of a culture and regime that is far beyond the comprehension of most Westerners in our comfortable and sheltered society. As has been pointed out elsewhere also, he was responsible for far fewer deaths in his reign than the body-count attributable to our own forces as a result of our recent efforts to "liberate" Iraq.

Some part of me feels it would be more appropriate, however silly, to go with Norman Kember's take on this - despite not necessarily sharing his views otherwise...

quote:
"He should be trained as a bricklayer to help in the reconstruction."
-Norman Kember, regarding Saddam's death sentence.



ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzz.....

Arthemis
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Milky Way
Insane since: Nov 2001

IP logged posted posted 11-08-2006 14:57 Edit Quote

btw, im not very serious

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jive
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Greenville, SC, USA
Insane since: Jan 2002

IP logged posted posted 11-13-2006 21:20 Edit Quote

Chop of his arms and legs, poke both of his eyes out, remove his tongue, and hearing in one ear, so that he can just barely hear life...

Then let him live.

Don't kill him. That's not our right to decide.

(o btw, I would also say to remove the family jewels)

Ramasax
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: PA, US
Insane since: Feb 2002

IP logged posted posted 11-13-2006 22:11 Edit Quote
quote:
But how many other people are responsible, including US and European leaders who helped prop him up and turned a blind eye to or even encouraged his actions?



This already buried history, which began way back in 1959, will be all but forgotten once they kill him off.

Interesting how the U.S. government always seems to create their enemies and nobody calls them on it when they want to send our men and women to play clean-up and throw billions of dollars into wars for "democracy and freedom". Hitler, Al Queda, Pol Pot, Saddam, Pinochet, Ho chi Minh, Khomeini, Bin Laden, Kim Jong-il, Carlos Castillo Armas, . What do all these men have in common? They were all assisted to one degree or another by none other than the apparatus of US imperialism. From Wall Street to the bowels of US intelligence.

*sigh*

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 11-13-2006 23:05 Edit Quote

Remember what George Orwell said in 1984 - if you don't have a real enemy, then create one.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Hugh
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Dublin, Ireland
Insane since: Jul 2000

IP logged posted posted 11-14-2006 02:26 Edit Quote

Hasn't George Bush been responsible for more deaths in Iraq than Saddam?

Ramasax
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: PA, US
Insane since: Feb 2002

IP logged posted posted 11-14-2006 04:08 Edit Quote

But WebShaman, 1984 was fiction! That's not how it works in the real world.

quote:
Hasn't George Bush been responsible for more deaths in Iraq than Saddam?



Can't speak for the current regime, but the US federal government throughout the years...

First Gulf War under Lord Bush I, sanctions under Lord Clinton, and the current war under Lord Bush II, not to mention all the clandestine operations carried out in the region throughout the years, those that we know of, one could certainly make that case.

Lucky for them, they "don't do body counts."

Then again, how many did Saddam kill?

Sure, Saddam definately deserves his fate IMO, but I could think of quite a few others in the western world that should be facing the gallows beside him, but if I were to name names then I would probably be classified as an enemy combatant and thrown into one of those new detention camps that Halliburton is constructing.

Big Brother is watching afterall.

Ram

Hugh
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Dublin, Ireland
Insane since: Jul 2000

IP logged posted posted 11-14-2006 15:35 Edit Quote

^ It's like freedom of speech without the free part.

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 11-14-2006 23:36 Edit Quote

Oh, the plane ride is free, Hugh!

So is your stay!

So is the food!

You even get a bed and an apartment, for free!

That is what I call Free Speech!

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Hugh
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Dublin, Ireland
Insane since: Jul 2000

IP logged posted posted 11-15-2006 21:56 Edit Quote

WebShaman: You've lost me, you talking about being arrested or something?

DL-44
Lunatic (VI) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

IP logged posted posted 11-16-2006 00:08 Edit Quote

Hugh:

quote:

Ramasax said:

... then I would probably be classified as an enemy combatant and thrown into one of those new detention camps that Halliburton is constructing.

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 11-16-2006 10:50 Edit Quote

*nods*

Ayup, that is what I was referring to.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Ramasax
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: PA, US
Insane since: Feb 2002

IP logged posted posted 11-16-2006 21:27 Edit Quote

Yeah, I should have linked over to an article in that reference since it is kind of a buried news story. Basically, back around February of this year, $400mil was allocated by DHS to Halliburton subsidiary KBR for the construction of detention centers here on US soil, which they claim is for "immigration emergency" or some nonsense. I have a hard time believing anything out of government these days since everything we have been told basically since 9/11 is half-truth or just outright lies.

That, in conjunction with the vaguely worded Military Commissions Act of 2006, which gives the POTUS and Defense Sec. the power to basically declare anyone as an enemy combatant was where my semi-sarcastic remark above came from.

Ram



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