Topic: The world's first Creationist museum (Page 4 of 4)

Oops. Thanks for correcting my broken English. I appreciate.

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Gothmatum said:

I just hope that the 'paradise parole board' looks at things like behavior and intention rather than simply belief.

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Which negates your previously laid out list of options
It is also my response to the threats of eternal damnation for being a non-beleiver
If there is a god who granted us this gift of reason, surely he'd want us to use it moreso than he would want us to follow things that don't stand to reason...

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Gothmatum said:

A heaven where I have to share bunk space with John Wayne Gacey and members of the KKK might not be worth pursuing after all...

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If the tenets most accepted in christianity are true, then those are distinct possibilities - reich and rhetoric aside!

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Gothmatum said:

My idea really is that this = that = the other, and if more people realized that, we'd have less people killing each other in the name of God.

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But with so many options out there, and so many vastly different religions....there is just no way they all can equate. I mean...there are more than the big three religions out there after all, and even those three have some gigantic differences in the view of what god is, what god wants, and how to please god/get to heaven....

It seems to me that to say they're all the same in the end is nothing more than a way of not dealing with the differences between them. Though I guess you're saying that the differences are the fault of human interpretation, whereas the originating 'force' was the same in all cases?

But then of course, there are the more truly different religions that don't rely on this whole 'one god' concept, and would be much harder pressed to be able to make them in any way relatable...

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Gothmatum said:

Finding answers within oneself is not the same as inventing them. Sometimes it takes a great deal of introspection to make a personal breakthrough, be it towards or away from a measure of faith or the veracity of an idea.

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Of course it is! Of course, in many cases, inventing answers is what needs to be done - when speaking of internal issues, and personal problems/goals/weaknesses/plans/etc, the answers you invent for yourself are the only ones that will get you anywhere.
That will have to extend as well to things like religious beliefs.

But to get back (way back ) to the earlier point - where those personal answers won't help and won't apply, is when we are dealing with the factual evidence on which a scientific theory must rest.

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DL-44 said:Which negates your previously laid out list of options.

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Not necessarily. Jews and Christians are held to different standards, and so would be examined in different 'sections' before consigned to a final location. I mean, you wouldn't go to Club Fed for serial murder, right? To me, that just stands to reason. Which brings me to your next point...

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DL-44 said: It is also my response to the threats of eternal damnation for being a non-beleiver. If there is a god who granted us this gift of reason, surely he'd want us to use it moreso than he would want us to follow things that don't stand to reason...

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In Dante's Inferno there is a place for true intellectuals, virtuous and forthright souls who never believed - in other words, they had no 'God hole'. I believe Plato was one. Anyway, the only punishment in this place was the complete and total absence of God's divine presence. I guess to most here that would seem like a fantastic thing, considering they don't acknowledge God's existence anyway...
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DL-44 said: If the tenets most accepted in christianity are true, then those are distinct possibilities - reich and rhetoric aside!

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Once again we get into the question of motivation vs. appearance. Sure, these folks appear to adhere to 'Christianity', but when was the last time Christ donned a pointy white hood and screamed 'white power' (especially considering, according to some evidence, Jesus wasn't white)? I don't believe God listens to rhetoric, but looks into the heart, and sees the truth that's there, be it benign or malignant.
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DL-44 said:
But with so many options out there, and so many vastly different religions....there is just no way they all can equate. I mean...there are more than the big three religions out there after all, and even those three have some gigantic differences in the view of what god is, what god wants, and how to please god/get to heaven....It seems to me that to say they're all the same in the end is nothing more than a way of not dealing with the differences between them. Though I guess you're saying that the differences are the fault of human interpretation, whereas the originating 'force' was the same in all cases?But then of course, there are the more truly different religions that don't rely on this whole 'one god' concept, and would be much harder pressed to be able to make them in any way relatable...

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Again, not necessarily. Greek and Roman mythologies begin with a single god and goddess. Some Wiccan tenants refer to God & Goddess both, &c. I think with a little examination, one could weave a very interesting tapestry with all the diveristy of these myriad faiths with common threads between them all.

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Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein

Not much time at the moment, but just wanted to touch on one point -

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Once again we get into the question of motivation vs. appearance. Sure, these folks appear to adhere to 'Christianity', but when was the last time Christ donned a pointy white hood and screamed 'white power' (especially considering, according to some evidence, Jesus wasn't white)? I don't believe God listens to rhetoric, but looks into the heart, and sees the truth that's there, be it benign or malignant.

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My point was not about the verbal professions of any of these people. My point is that, according to the christain view, *anyone* no matter what their sins, if they confess, repent, and accept god, can get to heaven.

So if that view was somehow correct, then heaven could easily be filled with a vile assortment of creatures...

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DL-44 said:

My point was not about the verbal professions of any of these people. My point is that, according to the christain view, *anyone* no matter what their sins, if they confess, repent, and accept god, can get to heaven.So if that view was somehow correct, then heaven could easily be filled with a vile assortment of creatures...=)

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Right you are, DL, but the trick is they need to accept Christ in their hearts, and forsake anything that isn't Christlike. So if they say "Yeah, Jesus is God" but still hate black or brown people in their hearts, Jesus will say to them "I never knew you."

It's splitting hairs but it's pretty important!

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Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein

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Right you are, DL, but the trick is they need to accept Christ in their hearts, and forsake anything that isn't Christlike. So if they say "Yeah, Jesus is God" but still hate black or brown people in their hearts, Jesus will say to them "I never knew you."

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At which point the Flying Spaghetti Monster will grab them with its noodly appendice and give them love and pasta for ever. Unless the pink invisible unicorn stomp them, or they re-incarnate in a more humble creature to heal their karma, or ...

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poi said:

At which point the Flying Spaghetti Monster will grab them with its noodly appendice and give them love and pasta for ever. Unless the pink invisible unicorn stomp them, or they re-incarnate in a more humble creature to heal their karma, or ...

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Off-topic, but...

I think you should found the First Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Potluck pasta dinners every week and a feelgood message for everybody. As for evidence, hire people with catapults and pasta dishes to be positioned behind the reredos. I'm telling you poi, you may be the next L. Ron Hubbard!

I do get your point, however. My discussion with DL, like most of this thread, has wandered way off-topic.

too late
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_spaghetti_monster

Getting back to the rest of your post, gm -

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Again, not necessarily. Greek and Roman mythologies begin with a single god and goddess. Some Wiccan tenants refer to God & Goddess both, &c. I think with a little examination, one could weave a very interesting tapestry with all the diveristy of these myriad faiths with common threads between them all.

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Surely we could. We could weave such a tapestry through many unrelated, contradictory things in life, if we try hard enough.
But is the interestingness of this tapestry of any actual value? Does the ability to create abstract connections relate in any way to the reality of the situation?
Just a rhetorical question really...

To me, whatever interconnections can be made have no real bearing when it comes down to it. The similarities that exist tell us something about the human psyche...as do the differences. I find all of it quite interesting, but I think to take all of these different mythologies and mash them into one, or to try to say that they are just different paths to the same end is........frought with both logical and philosophical problems.

It is also important to note that when you speak of this ability to interchange the religions, you are still approaching this from a very decidedly christian perspective - assuming that the christian view of god is accurate, and ignoring the vastly different views of god that add some pretty nasty snags in that 'interesting tapestry'

Again - FWIW

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