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liorean
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Umeå, Sweden
Insane since: Sep 2004

IP logged posted posted 12-19-2006 21:13 Edit Quote

Since poi seems to be slacking, I'll mention this

Not as large an upgrade as 1.5-->2.0 for Firefox or 6.0-->7.0 for Internet Explorer maybe, but the main change - fraud protection - is common to all three upgrades. And I just love the speed of that scripting engine!

http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/windows/910/
http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/mac/910/
http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/linux/910/

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(Edited by liorean on 12-19-2006 21:15)

twItch^
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Denver, CO, USA
Insane since: Aug 2000

IP logged posted posted 12-20-2006 05:25 Edit Quote

It's nice to know that people are becoming more aware of security issues with web browsing.




It's sad that people have taken this long.




It's even sadder than most of the problems cannot be solved because stupid people just can't keep from clicking the damn "FREE IPOD HERE" button. Idiots.

-svd

docilebob
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: buttcrack of the midwest
Insane since: Oct 2000

IP logged posted posted 12-20-2006 05:30 Edit Quote

Well said, twitch^
Shame the idiots aren`t confined to the web.
Or somewhere.

Skaarjj
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: :morF
Insane since: May 2000

IP logged posted posted 12-20-2006 05:51 Edit Quote

More of a shame they aren't restrained from the web.


Justice 4 Pat Richard

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 12-20-2006 23:31 Edit Quote

liorean: Thanks for the announce.

As much as I like Opera, the browsers and the company, I have a personal conflict of interrest. I would feel guilty of spam if I open a thread every time we unleash a browser/tool/site.

I'm in holiday. You actually learn me that 9.10 has been released ... not that it really matters when you have access to the builds on about any platform.

reisio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Florida
Insane since: Mar 2005

IP logged posted posted 12-21-2006 02:02 Edit Quote
quote:
liorean said:

Not as large an upgrade as 1.5-->2.0 for Firefox


1.5 to 2.0 for Firefox was a pathetic upgrade to the GUI...I think there were all of two tiny tiny improvements to the rendering engine added.

liorean
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Umeå, Sweden
Insane since: Sep 2004

IP logged posted posted 12-21-2006 07:57 Edit Quote

poi: Well, the Opera Desktop Team blog gives pretty much anyone access to so recent builds I as a tester could almost as well go download their weeklies as use the internal builds...

I'd love to get my hands on a build with futhark instead of linear_b to see what Lars T Hansen and Chris Pine have achieved. Seeing how much input LTH has made in the ECMAScript 4 wiki, I suspect it's going to to rock. And beat SpiderMonkey at pretty much everything, as linear_b already does :)

quote:
http://people.mozilla.com/~gavin/javascript-20061107.log
[07 15:04:47] <ROBOd> i try develop web apps which work properly in Opera *and* Gecko, without any sniffing
[07 15:05:02] <crowder> Opera will catch up quickly
[07 15:05:30] <brendan> yeah, i bet Opera will have an ES4 impl next year
[07 15:05:41] <brendan> the big question is what about Microsoft?
[07 15:05:53] <mcsmurf> lazy as always ;)
[07 15:06:10] <crowder> mcsmurf: I think it would be an error to assume M$ is going to be lazy with IE
[07 15:06:14] <crowder> At least for a while
[07 15:06:45] <ROBOd> what makes you guys think Opera will have an ES4 implementation really soon?
[07 15:07:03] <crowder> ROBOd: Opera guys are helping with the ES4 spec actively
[07 15:07:16] <brendan> ROBOd: our colleages in ECMA TG1 from Opera
[07 15:07:29] <brendan> not that they speak for OPera, just that they're doing great work with us on ES4
[07 15:07:34] <brendan> not for nothing, i predict



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(Edited by liorean on 12-21-2006 07:58)

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 12-21-2006 10:04 Edit Quote

The desktop team blog provides only a weekly build of the desktop browser. There's much more than the desktop version of Opera : mobile, mini, game consoles, ...

In the log you pasted, Brendan is Brendan Eich, the inventor of JavaScript and CTO of Mozilla ? But clearly I think Opera will be the first browser with implementing a significant part of EcmaScript 4 since the Mozilla dudes said they won't have it until FireFox 3 or 4, that is at least one more year.

shiva_enigma
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Newly admitted

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Insane since: Dec 2006

IP logged posted posted 12-21-2006 11:55 Edit Quote
code:
testing this threas [b] hello shiva


[b] bold text
normal text

Skaarjj
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: :morF
Insane since: May 2000

IP logged posted posted 12-21-2006 12:15 Edit Quote

Right... so, are you testing out a spam bot, or do you just not know how to use bbCode?


Justice 4 Pat Richard

liorean
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Umeå, Sweden
Insane since: Sep 2004

IP logged posted posted 12-21-2006 13:10 Edit Quote
quote:
poi said:
The desktop team blog provides only a weekly build of the desktop browser. There's much more than the desktop version of Opera : mobile, mini, game consoles, ...

Of course, but I'm just a member of [spectrans] and [mac-elektra] so I don't have access to the internal builds for the rest of it. And I'd not be able to use the mobile or game console builds in any case :)

quote:
In the log you pasted, Brendan is Brendan Eich, the inventor of JavaScript and CTO of Mozilla ?
quote:
http://people.mozilla.com/~gavin/javascript-20061107.log
[07 13:22:03] * gavin_ changes topic to 'Developer Chat with Mozilla CTO Brendan Eich and Kevin Lynch, chief software architect at Adobe - Tuesday at 10am PST (18:00 GMT) || /msg gavin_ to ask a question'
[07 13:39:36] <brendan> WeirdAl: ES4 is on track for finalization early next Spring


quote:
But clearly I think Opera will be the first browser with implementing a significant part of EcmaScript 4 since the Mozilla dudes said they won't have it until FireFox 3 or 4, that is at least one more year.

Firefox 3 has been in development since Firefox 2 branched in August, 2005. The first alpha has in fact been released. The major JavaScript changes (1.8 or 1.9) aren't there yet, of course... But they say Firefox 3 will be released WITHIN a year, and considering the speed of upgrades to SpiderMonkey since Brendan woke the ECMA TG1 up from whatever cryochamber it's been in since Netscape's demise, I wouldn't be surprised if we get JavaScript 1.9 at the least, and maybe even 2.0, within that time frame. Mozilla is kinda limited at the moment by having a hideously Netscape-corporate-politics-bloated architecture to fight against while developing. (It's at least not a 23MiB everything-including-the-kitchensink browser any more). Development speed is limited by the fact they MUST do major redesigns of a lot of systems - SVG, XBL, XUL, the replacement of their current rendering architecture with Cairo, the clear separations of Gecko into XULRunner and applications such as Firefox, Thunderbird, Seamonkey, Sunbird, Nvu etc. written to use that. (In fact, I can see how Apple's choice of KHTML/KJS was wise - massive code bloat isn't good for companies profiled for being innovative. Mozilla has a harder time cleaning their code base up than Apple have implementing the missing features.)

So, of course, I expect Opera to crank out the first ECMAScript 4 engine just as soon as the spec goes final. And JavaScriptCore turning to ES4 just ahead of SpiderMonkey. But as Brendan noticed, the question is as always: What about Microsoft?

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(Edited by liorean on 12-21-2006 13:14)

(Edited by liorean on 12-21-2006 13:15)

Maskkkk
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Indiana, PA
Insane since: Mar 2002

IP logged posted posted 12-22-2006 21:50 Edit Quote

Yeah, I just installed Opera Mini on my Palm TX, but it's garbage...

Although it looks really cool, I can't for the life of me get it to work for more than two page requests. I maxed out the memory on the requests on the VM for it an everything.

It just don't work!



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