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Wes
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Inside THE BOX
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 04-04-2008 06:29

"Biblically correct" museum tours ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D8AeiAamjY

My favorite part: When the tour guide addresses an evolutionary point and tells the kids to mimic him in asking the question, "How do you know?" Yet, he never instructs them to ask the question of the people who can actually answer it, as if asking the question itself is an adequate rebuttal.

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Mad Librarian

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 04-04-2008 08:35

Some thoughts...

Their reasoning on the T-Rex issue is kind of confusing: "If this dinosaur was designed to eat meat from the very beginning, what would he have to do before Eve ate the apple? Fast and pray for the Fall! Does that seem very likely?"

Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that begging the question?

Of course, Nightline's arguments aren't flawless either. When the young creationists talk about people living for eight or nine hundred years, and then they say that there were seven generations of these people, Nightline shows a chalkboard graphic with "800 years X 7 generations = 5,600 years."

What moron came up with this calculation? A generation these days is considered to be roughly twenty years or so, but this doesn't mean that people live to the age of twenty and die. Even if people did live to be eight hundred years old, it is very unlikely that they would be having children for all eight hundred of those years (or for even most of that time). Even if you extended the child-bearing age to one hundred years old, you could still easily fit seven generations in a thousand years. I'm not necessarily trying to argue this point, I'm just saying that the simple error here kind of makes Nightline look stupid. I'm sure not a few scientists cringed when they saw that.


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Arthurio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: cell 3736
Insane since: Jul 2003

posted posted 04-04-2008 08:43

This is just incredibly sad that children can be abused that way and no one will or can do anything.

White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: zero divided.
Insane since: May 2004

posted posted 04-04-2008 09:09

That makes me sick.

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: The Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 04-04-2008 10:08

Propaganda and brainwashing for the children - the way the Church and Religion propagates itself (along with a number of even less palatable practices).

Why is it that just having personal belief is not enough?

That should be the perennial question!

I have yet to see or hear of a Pastor, Preacher, etc that says "all that I say may not be true, there may not actually be a God. There is no evidence that there is one, it is just my Belief, and it is just as likely that Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster are as real as the God I speak of".

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 04-04-2008 10:37

Oh the irony of them calling on circular reasoning around 5'20 and the last seconds of the segment. Tsssk

Blaise
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: London
Insane since: Jun 2003

posted posted 04-04-2008 10:50

Good luck America

DL-44
Lunatic (VI) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted posted 04-04-2008 14:15
quote:

Blaise said:

Good luck America


All the headlines tell us that the UK isn't far behind...
The article I read yesterday (don't have a link handy at the moment) claimed that the US was behind only Turkey in "believing evolution though.....

Yikes.

Can't watch the video atm...will when I get home...

Arthurio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: cell 3736
Insane since: Jul 2003

posted posted 04-04-2008 15:49

http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/archive/2565/25653701.jpg

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: The Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 04-04-2008 16:09

You might want to skip it - it is like Gideon on acid

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

SleepingWolf
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jul 2006

posted posted 04-05-2008 19:00

The whole idea of T-Rex eating vegetables is total bullshit.

Anyone who has seen a T-Rex skeleton will quickly realize the arms were much too short to toss a salad.

On a more serious, note they claim Jesus was the creator of everything. So it means the first coming was actually the second coming? I don't get that part.

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poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 04-05-2008 19:09
quote:
On a more serious, note they claim Jesus was the creator of everything. So it means the first coming was actually the second coming? I don't get that part.

That's because Jesus = God = Santa Claus = the tooth fairy = the sasquash = the Celestial Teapot = the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

The buddy Jesus came only once, but that was just one of the many faces of our lord and savior the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Arthurio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: cell 3736
Insane since: Jul 2003

posted posted 04-05-2008 19:44
quote:

poi said:
Jesus = God = Santa Claus = the tooth fairy = ...



We don't need to get into all that ...


OT: I saw a show on discovery science where they concluded that t-rex wasn't a predator, not a herbivore either obviously, but a scavenger. A big, smelly and ugly one at that.

SleepingWolf
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jul 2006

posted posted 04-05-2008 22:47
quote:

poi said:

quote:On a more serious, note they claim Jesus was the creator of everything. So it means the first coming was actually the second coming? I don't get that part.That's because Jesus = God = Santa Claus = the tooth fairy = the sasquash = the Celestial Teapot = the Flying Spaghetti Monster.The buddy Jesus came only once, but that was just one of the many faces of our lord and savior the Flying Spaghetti Monster.



I have to disagree forcefully, there is no geological or other evidence to substantiate your claims. How would you explain the Easter Bunny for example?

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WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: The Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 04-06-2008 21:21
quote:
How would you explain the Easter Bunny for example?



Hugh Heffner is religious, perhaps?

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: zero divided.
Insane since: May 2004

posted posted 04-07-2008 11:57

^lol!^ Kinky...

DL-44
Lunatic (VI) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted posted 04-07-2008 14:11

Wow.

I love how they show the guides *literally* turning their backs to the radio carbon dating display while they talk about how there is nothing but circular reasoning used in fossil dating techniques....and then justify it in the interview by saying "well, we can't cover everything..."

And of course, how can you even pretend to be doing something educational, and promoting critical thinking, when the whole time you are simply telling children to repeat your answers without question?

Truly sad.

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: The Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 04-07-2008 14:48

I find it to be worse than sad.

It is disgusting.

Preying on the natural curiosity of children to push your propaganda in order to propagate the next generation of believers.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Arthurio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: cell 3736
Insane since: Jul 2003

posted posted 04-07-2008 15:47

Personally ... long discussions with strong Christian believers at a young age were what turned me away from religion for real. It was relatively easy for me (a 11 year old at the time) to see their error. So it's relative. Maybe contact with those idiots will make some of those kids open their eyes.

DmS
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Sthlm, Sweden
Insane since: Oct 2000

posted posted 04-09-2008 15:52

OMG!
This is actually physically painful, my stomach hurt.

I don't find it even remotley funny, to me there are no difference at all to be found between these fundamentalists and the religious fundamentalists in the middle east. With a slightly different upbringing they would probably blow up the museums and other scientific institutions to solve the "problem" with the competition.

Then take that image posted above http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/archive/2565/25653701.jpg and do the mindgame with an election process where a candidate uses those beliefs, 25% voters bagged directly, then an additional 20% undecided that can be won with argumentation tecniques and a few more % gained through "normal election promises"...

"Probably" won't happen, but I'd leave the planet and taking my kids with me ...

I'm sad and scared...
/Dan

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