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binary
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Under the Bridge
Insane since: Nov 2002

IP logged posted posted 06-09-2009 09:11 Edit Quote
quote:

[Paranoid schizophrenia, turning every sensory stimulus into a small chunk of an intricate and incredibly paranoid delusion... I wouldn't call that advanced, wouldn't call that progress.----------------------


...consider this what if the current normal man is only suffering from one delusional state....n the our friends the Paranoid schizophrenia's...have a condition whereby they are able to experince diffrent illusions....an abstract example would be consider TV stations...normal man can only tune into one station...schizo's are able to tune into diffrent stations.....then who do u think is having more fun....

~Sig coming soon~

White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: zero divided.
Insane since: May 2004

IP logged posted posted 06-09-2009 11:48 Edit Quote

Nothing fun about schizophrenia, afaik.

I have trouble shutting down my brain a lot of the time. I can't 'tune out' the noises around me, and they contend with the noises in my head. People think I'm easily distracted - they don't know the half of it... so I can only imagine what it must be like to have every line open, every signal at full volume, every thought and back-office function of the brain manifested 'on-screen'. It's not like tuning into several stations - it's like having them all tuned at the same time in the same viewing space, and trying to make sense of just one.

That's the stuff of screaming nightmares.

binary
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Under the Bridge
Insane since: Nov 2002

IP logged posted posted 06-09-2009 15:41 Edit Quote
quote:

White Hawk said:
Nothing fun about schizophrenia,


....in this case I was thinking of the perfect evolved man who is abe to reduce/increase/switch the stations @ will....

quote:

White Hawk said:
I can't 'tune out' the noises around me, and they contend with the noises in my head. People think I'm easily distracted - they don't know the half of it...


.....I empathize with ur condition...but on a lighter note u could be one of those humans in the leading edge of the evolutional process....

~Sig coming soon~

White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: zero divided.
Insane since: May 2004

IP logged posted posted 06-10-2009 14:41 Edit Quote
quote:
....in this case I was thinking of the perfect evolved man who is abe to reduce/increase/switch the stations @ will....


Evolution? Pfft! That's LSD, mate.

I sincerely doubt I'm on the leading edge of anything but procrastination (in which I am truly an accomplished artiste), and I'm not sure I have a condition, though I do think it's related to my migraines. I cope with it by using an age-old herbal remedy, meditation, and violent video games.

I know what you mean though. Look at the amazing abilities of some autism sufferers. There seems to be a compromise between higher functions and processing capacity - what if you could switch your brain over to different modes; "Rainman mode" and "social mode" for instance?

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: The Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 06-10-2009 14:46 Edit Quote

I want "genius" and "photographic memory" mode for the win, Pat!

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

binary
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Under the Bridge
Insane since: Nov 2002

IP logged posted posted 06-10-2009 16:10 Edit Quote
quote:

WebShaman said:
I want photographic memory"


....this easily achievable with some little training and focus....

~Sig coming soon~

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: The Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 06-10-2009 16:27 Edit Quote
quote:

binary said:

quote:WebShaman said:I want photographic memory"....this easily achievable with some little training and focus....~Sig coming soon~



I beg to differ here.

A photographic memory does not forget ANYTHING it has ever been exposed to, ever, visually, and can be called up at will.

In end effect, it is perfect memory (visually orientated) - it has perfect storage and access.

This is NOT something that one can "easily" achieve with "little training and focus" - in fact, it is not something that one can
achieve with any amount of training and focus, for the physical makeup of the brain has to be changed, in and of itself.

Now, one can train one's memory, and one can train it pretty well and achieve astounding results that may have the simblance of a photographic memory, but make no mistake - it is not remotely similar.

For example, being able to recall each and every leaf on a tree with only one short glance - and never forgetting it, being able to call it up at will. One must also take into account, that one can call up ANY tree, at any time, that one has seen at any period in time, and do the same thing.

If you know how to easily achieve such a thing with a little training and focus, then you will soon become a very rich man (and actually should be so already). Of course, the military would have grabbed you a long time ago, were you capable of teaching others this.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: zero divided.
Insane since: May 2004

IP logged posted posted 06-10-2009 18:31 Edit Quote

I have to second WebShaman on that score. Techniques used to improve memory and observation skills, and tricks used to memorise information, will never match the full function of a photographic memory. It takes time, effort, and discipline in training and application of memory techniques for someone to purposely enhance their capacity for recall, whereas those with photographic memories are usually quite incapable of not memorising every detail they observe (consciously or not). The very manner in which information is processed by the brain differs dramatically in those with true photographic memory.

I would love to have that capacity as a brain 'mode' too, but I think it would be awful to be stuck with that all the time. I have enough trouble trying to shoe-horn new memories into my grey matter as it is with the endless piles of useless information I seem to soak up like a sponge.

Like Homer Simpson, I fear that every new memory displaces an old one - one day, I'll read an amazing (but utterly useless) fact, and I'll immediately forget who I am!

DavidJCobb
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From: United States
Insane since: Mar 2009

IP logged posted posted 06-11-2009 01:26 Edit Quote
quote:

White Hawk said:

I have to second WebShaman on that score. Techniques used to improve memory and observation skills, and tricks used to memorise information, will never match the full function of a photographic memory. It takes time, effort, and discipline in training and application of memory techniques for someone to purposely enhance their capacity for recall, whereas those with photographic memories are usually quite incapable of not memorising every detail they observe (consciously or not). The very manner in which information is processed by the brain differs dramatically in those with true photographic memory.I would love to have that capacity as a brain 'mode' too, but I think it would be awful to be stuck with that all the time. I have enough trouble trying to shoe-horn new memories into my grey matter as it is with the endless piles of useless information I seem to soak up like a sponge.Like Homer Simpson, I fear that every new memory displaces an old one - one day, I'll read an amazing (but utterly useless) fact, and I'll immediately forget who I am!


ROFLtrue.

I wonder if there is some kind of drug that, instead of causing hallucinations or brain damage, simply temporarily and drastically improves the rate, speed, and application of the speed at which information passes from sensory registers into short-term memory, and from there into long-term...

Though, being unfamiliar with the science of photographic memory (which I believe is formally called eidetic memory), I would guess that people with photo-mem have some kind of mechanism that just bypasses short-term memory and copies everything from sensory into long-term automatically...

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binary
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Under the Bridge
Insane since: Nov 2002

IP logged posted posted 06-11-2009 08:18 Edit Quote

Gentlemen....I thought by now we all agreed that the fact that "you" can't do it is not a premise of justying that something can not be done.....note that I used to key words training and focus....now considering that what is said about us only using 5-10% of our brains...then take into considerations a child being brought up in an environment where this training is emphasized...the brain will then have no option but to adapt....

imho..what is needed is just time and effort and u will be suprised with what u can achieve.....

~Sig coming soon~

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: The Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 06-11-2009 08:54 Edit Quote

And I will remind you not to talk with the wind out of your behind.

Show me your facts, please.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

warjournal
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From:
Insane since: Aug 2000

IP logged posted posted 06-11-2009 10:07 Edit Quote
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now considering that what is said about us only using 5-10% of our brains


Urban legend. Based on experiments done with rats. Or mice. One or the other.

If you want to see something cool, search for the phrase "multiple mentality" in quotes. That will really push your brain, but it certaintly won't give you eiditic capabilities.

binary
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Under the Bridge
Insane since: Nov 2002

IP logged posted posted 06-11-2009 10:52 Edit Quote
quote:

WebShaman said:
And I will remind you not to talk with the wind out of your behind.Show me your facts, please.


Facts: I guess its a fact that the world is flat or iron can't float or man can't fly......man u need to let go of some of that air

~Sig coming soon~

White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: zero divided.
Insane since: May 2004

IP logged posted posted 06-12-2009 14:39 Edit Quote

The brain has an awful lot more functions than mere 'thinking', with various parts dedicated to a wide range of administration and regulation tasks - background services that operate in significantly more than 10% of the brain's mass. On top of that, we use as much of the higher functions of the brain as is required for a given application, and on a daily basis, that is significantly and necessarily less than 100%.

If your CPU was running at 100% all the time, not only would it be at risk of overheating (or producing a hell of a lot of fan noise ), it would also demonstrate either that you require a more powerful processor, or that you have a serious hardware/software issue.

Your brain has neurons numbered in the hundreds of billions whereas CPUs generally number transistors in the hundreds of millions. Even the most powerful GPUs (generally, due their specialist nature, denser than CPUs) have no more than a billion-or-so transistors.

Unlike transistors, neurons work analogically, producing varied strengths and patterns of pulse to relate information in different ways. This essentially means that a far greater amount of data can be encoded by a single neuron than by a single transistor (which more than makes up for the obviously greater latency of the electro-chemical process compared to the electronic).

Basically, your brain manages to process vast volumes of data without breaking a sweat or requiring exotic cooling methods. It is so complex (mechanically and functionally) that even after generations of intensive study and extraordinary advances in technology, the brain (human or otherwise) is still barely understood by scientists.

Anybody claiming to be a scientist who makes any kind of estimation of typical brain usage is either not a very good scientist, or has made a breakthrough worthy of a Nobel nomination. That's a fact!
_____

EDIT: By the way, iron does float! You can make iron float in one of two ways; shape it so that it displaces a greater mass of water than its own mass, or use a floatation medium with a greater specific gravity! Mercury is so dense even as a liquid than it bouys iron quite effectively.

(Edited by White Hawk on 06-12-2009 14:46)

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: The Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 06-12-2009 16:27 Edit Quote
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(or producing a hell of a lot of fan noise )



Ok, that got me rolling!

LOLZ!!!!!!

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: zero divided.
Insane since: May 2004

IP logged posted posted 06-12-2009 22:26 Edit Quote

***SINCERE APOLOGIES for the double-post. Brain spasm.***

(Edited by White Hawk on 06-12-2009 22:59)

White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: zero divided.
Insane since: May 2004

IP logged posted posted 06-12-2009 22:50 Edit Quote
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My colleagues think I'm having a breakdown...



I should point out, in case it wasn't entirely obvious, that I was referring to my uncharacteristic cheer on a Monday morning (of all mornings) - they were rather taken aback at the office.

I think we're all a little strange. We wouldn't be here otherwise.

DL-44
Lunatic (VI) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

IP logged posted posted 06-13-2009 03:03 Edit Quote
quote:

binary said:

now considering that what is said about us only using 5-10% of our brains...



Considering...what...exactly about it?
Aside from the fact that it is completely absurd and based on absolutely nothing?

whatsupdoc
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Nov 2010

IP logged posted posted 11-19-2010 14:10 Edit Quote

yes we all are in a prison of ourself creation, we do not want to change the routines we have and even if the routine is changed by unconquerable events we are apprehensive of them.
consider this, all the individuals who ever achieved something or tried to to think out of the ordinary, we labeled them as delusional, schizophrenic psychotic and what not else, but actually they were the ones who proposed evolutionary concepts.

Gilbert