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mgladecki
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate

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Insane since: Aug 2009

IP logged posted posted 09-23-2009 11:38 Edit Quote

Hi guys,

You can download a free issue of Photoshop Retouch magazine completely free at:
http://www.photoshopretouchmag.com/tutorialsarticles

Best wishes!

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: The Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 09-23-2009 15:15 Edit Quote

Is this spam?

Sure smells like it.

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

SleepingWolf
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jul 2006

IP logged posted posted 09-23-2009 16:42 Edit Quote

Google his name or the phrase and you just get a handful of hits...so it's not automated.

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Arthurio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: cell 3736
Insane since: Jul 2003

IP logged posted posted 09-23-2009 17:48 Edit Quote

spam

mgladecki
Obsessive-Compulsive (I) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Aug 2009

IP logged posted posted 09-24-2009 10:35 Edit Quote

What do you mean - spam? It's a free issue. And a good read. I bet most of you guys already read it.
Just trying to be nice over here.

Best wishes!

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: The Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 09-24-2009 17:34 Edit Quote

You would be amazed at what sort of "strategies" the spammers use these days...

You sure you are not a spammer?

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

mgladecki
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Aug 2009

IP logged posted posted 09-25-2009 10:36 Edit Quote

I'm positive.

SleepingWolf
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jul 2006

IP logged posted posted 09-25-2009 15:11 Edit Quote
quote:

mgladecki said:

I'm positive.



You wouldn't lie about this, would you?

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mgladecki
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Aug 2009

IP logged posted posted 09-25-2009 15:49 Edit Quote

Not at all.

SleepingWolf
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jul 2006

IP logged posted posted 09-25-2009 20:51 Edit Quote
quote:

mgladecki said:

Not at all.



So then, we can trust you?

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mgladecki
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Aug 2009

IP logged posted posted 09-29-2009 12:48 Edit Quote

You can trust no-one these days..
But then, what harm is there in reading a free zine?

SleepingWolf
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jul 2006

IP logged posted posted 09-29-2009 13:50 Edit Quote

Ok, I'm starting to trust you, but what if I can't read?

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mgladecki
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Aug 2009

IP logged posted posted 09-29-2009 16:23 Edit Quote

Then how did you sign up for this forum? You know, I don't think I can trust you...

(Edited by mgladecki on 09-29-2009 16:24)

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: The Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 09-29-2009 17:45 Edit Quote

We joined this forum before one was required to read

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Tao
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

IP logged posted posted 09-29-2009 22:44 Edit Quote

I see no reason to change my opinion from this post: Cool Photoshop magazines online

quote:

Well, I think it is not nearly as bad as the other type of spam we have been getting, but it is still SPAM all the same. The poster "mgladecki" is "Newly admitted" and is doing nothing more than advertising a website and magazine or on-line magazine.

It looks like this is a new venture so the main purpose of this post is to generate traffic and custom for the benefit of the owners. I doubt if anyone here would benefit from that site.
Having said that this mgladecki person may well be posting here for more altruistic reasons and may go on to become a valued asylumite.

Ohh look, is that a pig flying up to the tower?




Mgladecki!
At this point in time you have started two threads and made eight posts in total. The two threads have both been advertising your on-line presence and the posts have been you trying to defend your threads as not spam. Your very presence here is for the one and only reason of advertising. You want to make your site popular to generate traffic, the reasons for this I can only see as financial.

I am all for Photoshop tutorials and people trying to help others expand their knowledge. I have looked at both of the sites you have advertised here, am I'm sure they will help some people.

BUT...

You are still spamming our beautiful forum. Do you not understand that joining a forum and immediately advertising your product is nothing other than spam.

quote:

mgladecki said:

What do you mean - spam? It's a free issue. And a good read. I bet most of you guys already read it. Just trying to be nice over here. Best wishes!



"Just trying to be nice"? Well that is laudable but you are primarily trying to generate more traffic to your sites which will keep the advertisers happy.
To receive the free PDF one does have to register for a newsletter with an email address. I did so, and have viewed the magazine which is quite well presented with a fair few adverts, like most of its type. There was nothing there that I could not and have not found in the places I usually visit anyway, but I'm not criticising the magazine, I am criticising your methods.

mgladecki
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Aug 2009

IP logged posted posted 09-30-2009 09:57 Edit Quote

Hi Tao,

Knowing your point of view I guess I see why this could be considered spam. But it just seems like a 'win - win' situation. I'm not telling you how much the zine costs or where you can buy it, I'm simply informing you about a free offer that you can take advantage of. Like I would tell a friend.

I'm sure someone found it interesting. (?)

Take care!

White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: zero divided.
Insane since: May 2004

IP logged posted posted 09-30-2009 11:50 Edit Quote

I have no reason not to trust your instincts, Tao - we share a common view in many matters. I think this is one of those situations where "it'll all come out in the wash" eventually. Regardless of intent, Mgladecki, you have operated upon exactly the same principle as any spammer - the only real difference is that you've had the decency (or audacity) to communicate coherently on the follow-up.

If you understand the nature of this forum, you know that it is a place to exchange ideas related to web design, Photoshop, and in no small part, philosophy. As much as your magazine suits the tastes of the inmates here, unless you are willing to share/divulge contents directly within the mute orange walls of the Asylum, linking to an off-site resource that requires any form of registration could be considered, at best, rather rude.

The point has been made many times in these threads that it is bad etiquette to simply drop links. Even in a matter of theological discussion, excerpts and relevant details are best shared without having to go elsewhere. If a passage can be quoted that is of some value to the thread, accompanied by a link to further information or sources only for relevance, then it serves its purpose without requiring the reader to leave their cell. The choice exists.

On the other hand, as your threads appear (to all intents and purposes) no more than promotion of off-site material, they fail to make any contribution that could be served by such etiquette. Do you plan to duplicate the contents of the magazine as regular features and articles that can be read within these forums? If not, then no choice exists - it is simply and undeniably advertising.

Thank you for the introduction to a site I never plan to use, but kindly accept the obligation to redeem yourself!

(Edited by White Hawk on 09-30-2009 11:54)

Tao
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

IP logged posted posted 09-30-2009 12:43 Edit Quote

Dear mgladecki

Your form of spam may not be as bad as the others and we could have a debate on the true definition of spam. For instance this is more specifically Forum Spam. You are trawling the net registering on all kinds of forums with the intent of generating traffic to all the instances of your (or your masters) web presence. We all know that money is at the root of this practice, not love

Check it out:

quote:

http://www.planetphotoshop.com/forum/search.php?searchid=601867

http://www.photoshopgurus.com/forum/search.php?searchid=89630

http://www.programmersheaven.com/mb/flash/396329/396329/ffd-mag-goes-free/?S=B20000#396329

http://www.flashadvisor.com/forum/search.php?searchid=86198

http://actionscript.org/forums/search.php3?searchid=10949928

http://photoshopfaceoff.com/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=16995&sid=fd3e2a7980f213a29b447df9e26caf2c

http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=5149&page=2

http://psworkshop.net/psworkshop/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=1&TopicID=513&PagePosition=1



This was the result of a five minute search I have no wish to spend any more time on you.

Check the page source on the two mags.

quote:
http://www.photoshopretouchmag.com/

http://bsdmag.org/?r



As White Hawk says you do not seem to understand forum policy. I do not think you are one of the evil spammers mgladecki but you really are misguided. Especially if you think you can fool the asylumites here that you are a regular good guy just passing by trying to spread the love.

Come on now, level with us, we will not bite, well, except for Wolfen. We will still welcome you with open arms to our forum. Just don't treat us and yourself as simpletons.

mgladecki
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Aug 2009

IP logged posted posted 09-30-2009 13:10 Edit Quote

Ok, you got me. Hats off, Mr. Holmes. Yet another filthy criminal caught and embarassed.
Honestly? I don't even like doing this. But, like you say, we all know what the bloody root is. Hard times demand ruthless actions.

So without further ado, goodbye!

SleepingWolf
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Jul 2006

IP logged posted posted 09-30-2009 14:07 Edit Quote
quote:

Tao said:

Just don't treat us and yourself as simpletons.



Like the man said.

Bye.

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White Hawk
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: zero divided.
Insane since: May 2004

IP logged posted posted 09-30-2009 14:15 Edit Quote

Tao the witch hunter strikes again! Shame mgladecki doesn't have the character to accept a 'welcome ... with open arms to our forum', but reacts to being roundly outed with a curt farewell. It seems the indignity of an impromptu trial and conviction overrides the possibility that he may have something of value to contribute. *sigh*

Tao
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

IP logged posted posted 09-30-2009 19:12 Edit Quote

Well it appears mgladecki did not have anything else to offer but spam. If you are still peeking in mgladecki you should know that we all live in varying degrees of financial hardship, not just you. The "economic meltdown" effects us all.

You say "Hard times demand ruthless actions."
This is just not so and speaks volumes of what type of person you are becoming. There is another way, seek it out.


livaneto
Neurotic (0) Inmate
Newly admitted

From:
Insane since: Oct 2011

IP logged posted posted 10-07-2011 00:46 Edit Quote

thank you all for the links, you can check also at [edit tp: we don't tolerate spam around here]

best regards

(Edited by Tyberius Prime on 10-07-2011 10:46)

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: The Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 10-07-2011 16:30 Edit Quote

I really, really like what you posted, Tao!

Spot on!

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Tao
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

IP logged posted posted 10-08-2011 02:09 Edit Quote

Cheers WebShaman,
I'm taking part in a peaceful protest on October 15th in Liverpool. To try to raise awareness, we are manipulated by this system and there are better ways to live our lives.
Ah that's where I left the soapbox



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