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Arthurio
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: cell 3736
Insane since: Jul 2003

IP logged posted posted 07-16-2011 20:33 Edit Quote

Just kidding.

NoJive
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Land of one Headlight on.
Insane since: May 2001

IP logged posted posted 07-16-2011 21:56 Edit Quote

Indeed.

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WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: The Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 07-17-2011 15:15 Edit Quote

Priceless!

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

Tao
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

IP logged posted posted 07-18-2011 23:47 Edit Quote

Lured me in

argo_navis
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From:
Insane since: Apr 2008

IP logged posted posted 07-20-2011 20:15 Edit Quote

Actually, it's all there to be seen, even to scientists. It's an "open secret" : but to perceive it, people have to seek to see it, not to invent excuses around it.

A brief example : acupuncture seeks to "puncture the spirit" based on the premise of a tangible existence of spirit. It has been invented by tossing bones with questions on them in fires, and watching the marks. Thus, acupuncture works based on the assumption that spirit AND conscious spirits exist.

Its scientific successes are countless.
http://www.army.mil/article/41446/army-looking-at-yoga-acupuncture-to-treat-pain/
http://apps.who.int/medicinedocs/en/d/Js4926e/5.html

According to the scientific method, the rigorously verified efficiency of the system implies a high degree of accuracy of its founding principle.

For one example. Dowsing, marketing, and even financial forecasting use esoteric techniques, a whole LOT of them. Analytic psychology is almost entirely founded
on so-called "esoteric practices".

...Sciences that power your daily ASSUME that spirit exist. They just don't voice it.

Now ask yourself why. What's so challenging for people about accepting there is a God?
What would it mean to you?

jade
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: houston, tx usa
Insane since: Mar 2003

IP logged posted posted 04-01-2013 23:42 Edit Quote

there has to be a higher power..we may not all agree on who or what it is. but its there. some one had to produce the elements for the big bang and so on.

poi
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Oslo, Norway
Insane since: Jun 2002

IP logged posted posted 05-02-2013 13:56 Edit Quote

Jade: Why ? Who ? Why has there to be a higher power ? Who created that "some one" ? Why has there to be a beginning ?

Matter and energy can very well have been there for ever. No beginning. No end. It just is. I don't see any problem with that.

DL-44
Lunatic (VI) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

IP logged posted posted 05-16-2013 21:57 Edit Quote

Jade - the problem that will always exist for that line of argument is that no matter how many levels you push it...there still isn't an actual explanation.
Every 'higher power' that you can conceive still would require another 'higher power' to have created it.

If a higher power still needs a higher power to explain its origin, then it doesn't explain anything at all.

Jestah
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Long Island, NY
Insane since: Jun 2000

IP logged posted posted 05-22-2013 13:02 Edit Quote

I don't know about that.

It seems to me that if you're willing to concede the possibility of an omnipotent being then it's reasonable to believe that being has always existed, called it self into existence, etc. by virtue of its omnipotence.

Then again, I've never understood why the belief in a god is considered a magical fairytale while the belief Disneyland just popped into existence is sound logic.

Tao
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Pool Of Life
Insane since: Nov 2003

IP logged posted posted 05-23-2013 02:20 Edit Quote

God!!!!!!!!
How things have changed.
I found myself twitching for a "like" button for the last few posts....
Two friends of mine suddenly "got god" or perhaps they might say "got Jesus" I don't really know.
This was an eternity ago 1974 (ish)
I always found myself in the middle saying things like "yeah but if you accept the possibility of the unknown, then anything's possible"
"Don't let it bring you down
It's only castles burning,
Find someone who's turning
And you will come around"
BTW
I love this place (heart)

Tyberius Prime
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Germany
Insane since: Sep 2001

IP logged posted posted 05-24-2013 09:14 Edit Quote

it's obvious to see that this universe was put together on a government contract.

NoJive
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: The Land of one Headlight on.
Insane since: May 2001

IP logged posted posted 05-28-2013 18:04 Edit Quote

"it's obvious to see that this universe was put together on a government contract."

Ah yes but they meant well. -_Q



Nice to see some 'movement' in here. Still my favorite place. Never really got into facebook but confess to being hooked on twitter.

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Gilbert Nolander
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Washington DC
Insane since: May 2002

IP logged posted posted 07-03-2013 04:38 Edit Quote

To me, there needs to be a divide between the 2 things.

1. The hidden power we as humans are capable of utilizing that comes from a so-called 'spiritual' or unknown environment (and/or energy based)

2. The creator of this environment.

I believe, based on various research . an example mentioned above by argo_navis... that #1 is true and that we have within us locked or forgotten abilities (coral castle in Florida). And even known abilities (acupuncture, meditation, etc)

#2. the source of all of these is; in reality, no matter how sure someone says they are, an unknown.

And my view is, why does a believe in #1 necessitate a belief in #2? And even when a belief in #2 exists, the belief in #1 is often hidden under the surface...and if a discussion arises regarding the so-called para-normal, it often results in strange...sideways glances. ;-)


.Quotes.

(Edited by Gilbert Nolander on 07-03-2013 04:42)

jade
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: houston, tx usa
Insane since: Mar 2003

IP logged posted posted 07-23-2013 16:45 Edit Quote

aww. the ole crowd still keeps the torch burning on the ozone. many years with you guys..missed u all. DL-44,-WS still no softening on God? TAO your the master as always.

(Edited by jade on 07-23-2013 16:47)

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: The Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 07-23-2013 17:46 Edit Quote

There is no God, Jade.

Really sorry to break the news to you

WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

jade
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: houston, tx usa
Insane since: Mar 2003

IP logged posted posted 08-02-2013 15:13 Edit Quote

aww..
Webshannon ..my old friend.
I have missed u.
well..there is no God has to be proved. its out there..so give me some good argument
plus that would mean there is no love.

WebShaman
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: The Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

IP logged posted posted 09-14-2013 23:51 Edit Quote

Errmmm...we know that love exists, and it is not dependent upon the notion of there being a God or not.

And since the Flying Spaghetti Monster got eaten by some hungry whoreshippers (sp intended), existence has been pretty lonely, god-wise...

Hehe...

And you do have it wrong, btw - it has to be proved that there is a god, not that there isn't one. One cannot prove the non-existence of something. Think about it for a bit. You know, Santa, the Beaster Bunny, the Toothy Fairy and Co. demand equality in line with that of god...as well as gods.



WebShaman | The keenest sorrow (and greatest truth) is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.
- Sophocles

jade
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: houston, tx usa
Insane since: Mar 2003

IP logged posted posted 04-16-2014 19:09 Edit Quote

webshaman..you are drawn to the spirit. Its in your dna to be called or pulled. There is no denying that. Eveyone on the planet is invited or tapped. Its part of life in the human conception.
Now, its now you want to answer the invite and from which spirit.



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