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Yannah
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

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posted posted 04-10-2003 03:12

I hate her, my friend's bugging me over email just because of her....her voice is so refusable.

Yannah
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: In your Hard Drive; C:
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posted posted 04-10-2003 03:41

come on guys...
what you think of my friend then?

Emperor
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From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 04-10-2003 03:58

I think your friend is welcome to their opinion.

I also suspect I'm indifferent to the situation.

I'm also wondering what you are looking for?

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Perfect Thunder
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Milwaukee
Insane since: Oct 2001

posted posted 04-10-2003 04:02

Avril Lavigne is very pretty. And her studio has assigned her good songwriters, musicians, studio technicians, makeup and wardrobe artists, and marketing/publicity people. With all that machinery behind her, she's bound to be appealing, if not exactly groundbreaking. I mean, what do you want out of pop?

Yannah
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: In your Hard Drive; C:
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posted posted 04-10-2003 04:07

I want rock, pop things like that not punk.

abb
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From: Victoria, BC
Insane since: Mar 2002

posted posted 04-10-2003 04:19

I am actually not partial to Avril Lavigne, she doesn't appeal too much. I think it's because of the makeup If you ask me, it ruins the effect...

Ruski
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posted posted 04-10-2003 04:42

she is real pretty, but definaitly not my music LOL

well I think she can pretty much make big bucks for a studio...but well, to me her music is alrigh

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 04-10-2003 04:57

Who is Avril Lavigne? Does someone have a link for me?

[Edit: Yes, I realize I could go to Google, but for some reason I am crushed beneath an overwhelming laziness at this moment in time...]

[Edit: OK, I overcome the overwhelming laziness and checked out a site. Not my type of music. Not anything out of the ordinary in terms of appearance. I would have to say my reaction was one of extreme indifference.]

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Yannah
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: In your Hard Drive; C:
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posted posted 04-10-2003 05:35

her music is not for me too!
ah she's this Canadian singer who has a schreechy voice.

SPyX
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: College Station, TX
Insane since: Aug 2002

posted posted 04-10-2003 05:46

You have 430 posts?? Are you kidding me?

maninacan
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Seattle, WA, USA
Insane since: Oct 2001

posted posted 04-10-2003 05:54

How in the world do you have 433 posts.
*off to find the topic you spammed 400 times*
*A search turned up less than 180 posts*
Damn the man. Someone screwed up.
Save the Empire.


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Ruski
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From:
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posted posted 04-10-2003 06:39

DAMN thats even more than me

WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted posted 04-10-2003 09:09

I don't.

*Grooves to Hendrix crosstown traffic*

Fig
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From: Houston, TX, USA
Insane since: Apr 2000

posted posted 04-10-2003 11:12

actually, the one thing that impressed me about her (avril, not yannah ) is that she does write her own music from what i understand. there's some diversity in her music too, a friend of mine had the cd and in listening to it there's some interesting ideas there. pop-ish? definitely. but i've certainly been forced to listen to worse...

chris


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fenja
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Mar 2002

posted posted 04-10-2003 13:39

I like Avril. I listen to her album quite often and I can relate to many of her songs. She has a nice voice too and she wears normal clothes and almost no makeup. She doesn't use her body to sell her music like so many other artists do. I think she's great.

Yannah, didn't you use a picture of Avril as a sig? Why do you hate her now?

synax
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Cell 666
Insane since: Mar 2002

posted posted 04-10-2003 13:46

I share Fig's sentiments. Not my brand of music, but I'm mostly indifferent about listening to it. There's much MUCH worse out there.

Emperor
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From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 04-10-2003 13:51

As fenja points out you did have an AL sig when you first came here ('What who me punk, no way!!') - in fact some us still secretly love that sig

Does she write all her own songs? Not really (it sounds much less punk/anti-establishment when dug into ):
www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,908612,00.html

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bodhi23
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Greensboro, NC USA
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 04-10-2003 14:12

I kind of like her album. Her music has some variety to it, and her choruses are kind of catchy... I wouldn't go so far as to say she's "punk", I remember what punk is... Pop is closer to what she's turning out. She's a kid still, and therefore entitled to some play with her clothes and make-up. But she has some talent. The question is: can she repeat her success without starting to repeat herself. That was the problem Fiona Apple had. Her second album sounded exactly like her first one.
It remains to be seen if Avril will have any longevity in her career...

Your friend, Yannah, is entitled to have her own opinions about her tastes in music (as has been stated above). Same as you are.

Bodhi - Cell 617

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Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 04-10-2003 15:25

Ah, that was Avril Lavigne in Yannah's sig? Hmm...

bodhi23
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Greensboro, NC USA
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 04-10-2003 16:00

Her first sig was Pink, I thought.

Bodhi - Cell 617

Petskull
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Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 04-10-2003 16:28

hey! I liked that "heavy with mood" song..


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DL-44
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From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted posted 04-10-2003 18:13

Do I like her? Not a bit.

My 8 year old daughter *loves* her, and I'm fine with that. The music is decent as far as relative musical ability is concerned, and the lyrical content is rather good as far as the general message she conveys.

And while that isn't something *I* need in music, it's certainly somthing I look for in what my 8 year old listens to.

As has been said, I have no interest, but there are *far* worse things out there these days...

{{edit - bodhi: no. pink came second }}



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Veneficuz
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posted posted 04-10-2003 20:07

I've only heard a couple of songs from her. It was ok, better than a lot of things, but far from good. Calling her music punk would be wrong imo, calling it pop with small elements of punk and rock would be closer to target imo. The lyrics (the ones I've heard) are pretty good as well, but there are other bands out there that write better lyrics.

A lot of the stuff she does also seem kind of forced, like she is trying to create an image that isn't really her...

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bodhi23
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posted posted 04-10-2003 22:35

Hey Petskull - that was on the first Fiona album. I'm fond of that track too. But the 2nd album? SUCKED!

Bodhi - Cell 617

Petskull
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posted posted 04-10-2003 22:41

yeah, I think that's the only song I like by Fiona Apple..


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Perfect Thunder
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From: Milwaukee
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posted posted 04-11-2003 00:24

This thread really just goes to prove that taste in music will always be subjective -- I really liked both Fiona Apple's albums, and I thought the second was slightly better than the first.

Suho1004
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From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 04-11-2003 01:22

Man, I am so out of touch with the music scene these days. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, of course...

DL-44
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From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted posted 04-11-2003 01:55

I think it's a bit of a crime to mention Fiona Apple in an Avril Lavigne thread



Yannah
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From: In your Hard Drive; C:
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posted posted 04-11-2003 03:50

I don't like her, yeah it's true that I used her image as my sig...(once) but there's words in it that could prove that I don't like her...I have her cd because of my sister...
She's 19(Avril), 3 years older than me, and yet she's co-writing her songs in an immature way...she's supposed to agree and disagree to whatever's good, not just agree to whatever could put her into the industry as a musician...and her lyrics aren't. so does this post make sense?

Petskull
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posted posted 04-11-2003 04:39

Yannah, spend a few weeks working in an ad agency, you'll get it..


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Yannah
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

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posted posted 04-11-2003 06:16

hahaha very funny PS.

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 04-11-2003 06:22

Hmm... I don't think that was supposed to be funny...

bodhi23
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Greensboro, NC USA
Insane since: Jun 2002

posted posted 04-11-2003 14:07

These days, mainstream music is all about marketing. Anyone keep up with that American Idol? A prime example of the blatant commercialism of the music industry. Every now and then, you come across an artist who's managed to make it decently and still keep their soul. Ben Harper is one I can think of off the top of my head...

I'm not surprised that a young singer like Avril Lavigne is taking advantage of the behind the scenes machinery that's moved her closer to the top of the pop charts... In her position, wouldn't you? Money is money, right? That is, if you're not interested in keeping your soul...

edit - damn fingers again!
Bodhi - Cell 617

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ljd2001
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Newly admitted

From: Wakefield, RI -USA
Insane since: Apr 2003

posted posted 04-11-2003 14:51

hi ya
i am new to the "ozone" and was lurking thru the topics and had to drop by to say something about avril.
i recently read an article about her in Rolling Stone - yes that Rolling Stone - and there was a point where David Bowie was brought up - she DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS!!!! Scary ain't it?
I mean I realize she is from the teeny bopper set but David Bowie?????
As for my feelings about her - I think she is a "pre-made" teen idol - like a gothic Britney. She too will fade like the boy bands and christina. that is if we are lucky.
When I really want to listen to some serious female tunes I go to Melissa Etheridge or Susan Tedeschi. Maybe Avril knows who they are - ya think?

thanx -for letting me ramble - i think i am going to like it here!

lisa

fenja
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Norway
Insane since: Mar 2002

posted posted 04-11-2003 15:29

I remember when Britney Spears was in Norway, she was asked if her relationship with Justin was like John Lennon and Yoko Ono. Britney said: "who???". Then the interviewer said: "Maybe like Paul McCartney and Linda then?". Britney: "I'm sorry. I'm still so young. I don't know who these people are."

LOL!

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 04-11-2003 15:34

ljd: From one rambler to another: Welcome to the funny farm. Hope you enjoy your stay.

krets
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: KC, KS
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posted posted 04-11-2003 16:26

Norah Jones.

Yup.

:::krets.net:::

aroma
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From: uk
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posted posted 04-11-2003 23:51

Avril L is a big sample of manufactured crap! She can't sing and i'm not just saying this, she sang live on British radio without the aid of a computer etc (bbc radio 1, live lounge) and she couldn't reach the high notes ( i would have said struggled to reach, but that is too kind) and sounded awful sorry kids little rebel Avril isn't what you think!

Did any1 else hear her sing live on radio 1?

Cheers Aroma

quisja
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From: everywhere
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posted posted 04-13-2003 11:33

Personally I think an "artiste" like Avril is more damaging than an American Idol (or Pop Idol as we have here in the UK). She is far less blatantly commercial, even though underneath she is doubtless as bad as any other. Therefore her commercial approach to what is, in my opinion, an art form of sorts is doubly wrong. I wrote an rant about her, among other things, on my site a while back: http://quis.coolfreepage.com/?p=articles/society

Sanzen
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Raleigh, NC
Insane since: Jan 2003

posted posted 04-13-2003 19:18

is homicide an option?

\m/ hardcore for life.

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DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted posted 04-13-2003 19:33

I've always been confused by this notion that a band/singer/whatever is somehow wrong if they do what sells.

I mean...they call it show business for a reason people.

There is no artist that has released an album on a major label without being deemed commercially viable. By the very nature of the recording industry, anyone who gets an album out is a 'sellout'.

as tool so poignantly stated - "I sold out long before you ever even heard my name, I sold my soul to make a record, dipshit"

So, is 'little rebel Avril' what she appears to be? In my eyes, yes, as I never thought she was anything more than people here have been trying to 'reveal' her as... =)



Jestah
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posted posted 04-13-2003 20:19

I can't stand Avril, I don't understand why she attempts to portray punk music. Its no more punk then NSYNC and BSB.

Jestah

Sanzen
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From: Raleigh, NC
Insane since: Jan 2003

posted posted 04-13-2003 20:56

i see your point of view DL-44... but i will share with you my ... musician's... point of view.

Music... isn't meant to be a pre fabricated, mindless, all-about-the-looks, MTV bullshit song. Music is supposed to make you feel, think, and feel some more. Music, in the first place, wasn't meant to be a means of income, or show business as you put it. People like Avril Lavange, BSB, N'Sync are all wrong. Because its unemotional (no matter how much it makes some little 13 year old cry to watch them lipsync), they dont even fucking play music (an instrument), they dont credit the bands (the ones who really matter) who play their music, they name the entire band after THEMSELVES when they're the ones who make their music suck, they ALL sound the same, they aren't original in the least. SO yes, i think that all pop bands are wrong, MTV is wrong, music for the love of music is where its at, and if you listen to anything else other than Pop: i commend you, thanks for not being brainwashed.

Commercially Viable? Perhaps. But thats not the point i'm trying to make. You either play music because you love music, or you play music for the money and to be famous. If you reach fame from the first then you accomplished what lots of people didn't have the talent to. If you reached fame from the second... then go ahead and sing your one song, people will remember you for about 15 minutes, and then you can go away and we wont have to listen to you anymore.

The bands/musicians that are remembered are the true musicians. Dont be something you're not just to get famous and you might stick with a couple people or change them in some way. No one's gonna go out and change their lifestyle or think about an issue or sit down and think about something because of an avril Lavange song.

If you think about it, the root word for Music is the word Muse.... do you find pop bands as a muse? I know i dont. I'd rather castrate myself with a spoon than be inspired by those retards.

{edit - thought of something i should have added}

"The only difference between me and a madman is that... i'm not mad!" - Salvador Dali

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Yannah
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From: In your Hard Drive; C:
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posted posted 04-14-2003 00:54
quote:
Hmm... I don't think that was supposed to be funny...


I was being sarcastic that funny thing is all in a sarcastic way.

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 04-14-2003 01:49
quote:
as tool so poignantly stated - "I sold out long before you ever even heard my name, I sold my soul to make a record, dipshit"



I'm beginning to learn more and more about you every day DL .

Samzen. I think you got it right when you mentioned music's purpose. But I'll be honest with you. I stopped reading you're post after you mentioned the BSB, NSync, bullshit scam. - True they don't play their own instruments, true they don't write their own songs. But they are talented. I hate their music and probably always will, but they've got talent. They're the same as the people you see on American Idol. They've got voices, and they use them. Just because you don't like the music, doesn't mean it sucks.


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Yannah
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From: In your Hard Drive; C:
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posted posted 04-14-2003 03:53

http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/FaqWiki/shownode.php?id=1163&sortby=rating

Dan
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From: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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posted posted 04-14-2003 04:02

That's great, now we'll have somewhere to direct all the people who really wanted to know what you thought of "Let Go". I knew we'd need one eventually.

Thank you.

Yannah
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: In your Hard Drive; C:
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posted posted 04-14-2003 04:03

I never said that Avril sucks did I?

Sanzen
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Raleigh, NC
Insane since: Jan 2003

posted posted 04-14-2003 04:03

they might have voices, but do they use them for good? no. they waste it. have you heard the idiot justin timberlake's new music?... bah, lol - i have a right to my own opinion.

PS - .... yes it does suck.

"The only difference between me and a madman is that... i'm not mad!" - Salvador Dali

[This message has been edited by Sanzen (edited 04-14-2003).]

Yannah
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: In your Hard Drive; C:
Insane since: Dec 2002

posted posted 04-14-2003 04:07

the "rock your body"? it's ok.

Emperor
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From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 04-14-2003 04:26

Yannah: So we now have 2 FAQs for you to say you were wrong about Avril L?:
http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/1162/
http://faq.ozoneasylum.com/1163/

Personally that is 2 too many but even in a less sane world I would have thought that 1 would have been enough.

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Yannah
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: In your Hard Drive; C:
Insane since: Dec 2002

posted posted 04-14-2003 05:43

could you just please delete the first one, cos I forgot that I've disabled the allow edit feature on the post, please Emps!

[This message has been edited by Yannah (edited 04-14-2003).]

Rick
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Borneo Island
Insane since: Apr 2000

posted posted 04-14-2003 11:58

why someone has to hate another person, especially a person who he/she never really know? if you don't like avril, so what? what do you really want from her? she doesn't know you, so you don't have to be bothered by her. let her do his own things, and you do your own. if you don't like her, then go find some others whom you like. for me, she O.K, maybe because of all the media hype, but i'm on a natural stance..

well, why hate a person anyway..

cell 799

DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted posted 04-14-2003 14:21

sanzen - i'll never dispute that you should go into a music career because you love what you do and you have the talent to go along with that.

Bottom line is, if it doesn't sell you're not going to get anywhere. Obviously there are mulitple levels of the 'sellout' phase, and some people leap right in with their eyes and ears closed.

Even the Beatles wouldn't have been what they were without George Martin pushing them in the right (as in 'more commercially viable') direction.


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