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InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 04-19-2003 06:44

Ok, this is what I need. This summer I'm getting a DV camera and I'm going to be making a shitload of shortfilms. Some of which are going to be comedy.

What I need is a gun that shoots blanks... Like, in the movies and stuff... It would need to have the same effect, like recoil and trajectory fire.

Of course some one will say that I could always use a real gun but... I can't get my hands on one of those .

edit: needs to be a hand gun, preferably a pistol

[This message has been edited by InSiDeR (edited 04-19-2003).]

bitdamaged
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: 100101010011 <-- right about here
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 04-19-2003 06:48

AKAIK if you can't get a real gun there's not much chance of getting a prop gun.

Most of the laws governing those are pretty much the same age/cost/legality as a real gun.



.:[ Never resist a perfect moment ]:.

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 04-19-2003 06:49

Age rights and property aren't going to be a problem, since it will be one of my parents that will purchase it...

synax
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Cell 666
Insane since: Mar 2002

posted posted 04-19-2003 07:22

http://www.google.ca/search?q=prop+guns&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&meta=

counterfeitbacon
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Vancouver, WA
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 04-19-2003 07:44

How about Airsoft? And then edit the video for flashes and stuff.

Or go buy it in Minnesota.

--
~cfb!

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 04-19-2003 08:06

cfb: Since we're going to be aiming and shooting at people, a BB pistol might not be good for point blank range .

bitdamaged
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: 100101010011 <-- right about here
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 04-19-2003 09:01

well um what is the problem? A BB gun, a good sound overlay and a good squib is pretty realistic.

perhaps you should be asking how to make this effect work best as opposed to where to get a good prop gun. (and synax had that answer)



.:[ Never resist a perfect moment ]:.

[This message has been edited by bitdamaged (edited 04-19-2003).]

jstuartj
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Mpls, MN
Insane since: Dec 2000

posted posted 04-19-2003 09:16

Well I don't know much about prop guns, but I would think It would be far easyer to do in post,
You would have a hard time getting decent muzzle flashes to show up on video and trying to coordinate
the sound effects with actors falling/reacting defently would be easer in the editor.

Here is a neat special effect software packages, cheeper the after effects. It seems quite impressive I think they have a demo, worth looking into.
http://www.csb-digital.com/alamdv/

Just a warning: for photo/video shoots with guns, take care, make sure everyone near buy knows what's going on, you don't what the police showing up and conflects occurring (They tend to be trigger happy, at least here in Minnesota.) I would also be a wise to contact you local athoritys before hand and provide them with the time and date of filming just to be on the safe side or better yet keep the location remote.

J. Stuart J.


Fig
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Houston, TX, USA
Insane since: Apr 2000

posted posted 04-19-2003 09:40

another thought might be a starter's pistol. as everyone's said tho, be careful and make sure you're in a controlled environment

chris


KAIROSinteractive

Michael
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: *land
Insane since: Nov 2000

posted posted 04-19-2003 13:19

I hope you're not shooting at anyone from point blank range with blanks either.
You can still kill someone.


trib
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Den Haag, Netherlands
Insane since: Sep 2002

posted posted 04-19-2003 14:31

Have you considered looking at a starter's pistol ??


Bug-free software only exisits in two places
A programmer's mind and a salesman's lips

warjournal
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From:
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 04-19-2003 14:49


Yeah, starter pistol was the first thing I thought of. Or, if you are doing comedy, just paint a Super Soaker or something.

DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted posted 04-19-2003 18:17

we'll be watching for you at the Darwin Awards

=)

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 04-19-2003 18:41

Speak to Pugzly - I'm not sure he uses prop guns but he will be able to give you a few safety tips and tell you what you need to do to make sure your local PD don't come and pop a few caps in yo' ass.

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Emps

FAQs: Emperor

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 04-19-2003 18:46

Found what I needed, thanks synax...

Michael, we'll be shooting at each other with blanks from about 5-20 feet away .

DL, I wouldn't be suprised if we ended up there... But of course I wouldn't feel suprised since I'd be dead...

counterfeitbacon
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Vancouver, WA
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 04-19-2003 19:05

InSiDeR: Airsoft guns are, for the most part, completely harmless, and you can fire them even without pellets.

Look here: Click

The gas blowback guns, aside from looking like real guns, are modeled to fire like real guns, with the slide and hammer and all. I have one. Me and my friend shoot each other with them in our house. It hurst a little bit more than a paintball.

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 04-19-2003 19:10
quote:
It hurst a little bit more than a paintball.



counterfeitbacon
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Vancouver, WA
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 04-19-2003 19:44

Oh yah...And they're expensive...

Wes
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Inside THE BOX
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 04-19-2003 19:45
quote:
we'll be shooting at each other with blanks from about 5-20 feet away



DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT aim anywhere near each other.

I'm absolutely dead serious about this. I've worked with blanks quite a bit and believe me, they can still cause very serious injury. Anything can fly out of those blanks -- grit, wadding, even bits of the casing. Many blanks are metal, bullet-shaped casings, where the tip is perforated to blow open like a flower; it is not uncommon for those metal bits to break off and fly straight at the target.

I worked seasonally in a gunfight show and we never, ever aimed anywhere near each other. For live performances, the best looking technique is to aim upstage of the target (away from the audience) and down away from the target's face.

In filmmaking, though, absolutely no one should be in front of the gun when you fire, anyway. There's no reason for it. Watch a few movies where guns are fired -- the only time you'll ever see an over-the-shoulder where the shooter fires down the line at the target is in an old Western.

99% of the time, the shooter and the victim are in two completely separate shots, most likely filmed hours apart.

Don't take blanks lightly. They are explosives and are still very dangerous.

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 04-19-2003 20:10

Thanks wes, I have already contemplated all of the aiming details..

I know first hand, I spoke with the director of The Crow... About Brandon Lee's death. I know about the blanks...

I know that in movies they don't show them aiming at each other , they mostly close up on the guns and then show the target enemy dodging them...

I have it all planned . This is why I want to be a director!

Dracusis
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Brisbane, Australia
Insane since: Apr 2001

posted posted 04-19-2003 20:47
quote:
I have it all planned. This is why I want to be a director!



LMAO... no amount of planning will help you out the first time you try and film any kind of narrative, it'll always end badly.

Still, a good storyboard, detailed shot list and a sound script ought to help you salvage something from the chaos you collect. Be careful with the gun though. Also be careful where you film, with or without waving the gun around. In Australia you need to get permission from property owners or the city councils to film just about anywhere but the most public spaces.

counterfeitbacon
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Vancouver, WA
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 04-19-2003 21:16

Be sure to show us when your finished, though.

Or make sure they release it on CD in the next Darwin Awards book.

--
~cfb!

Pugzly
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: 127.0.0.1
Insane since: Apr 2000

posted posted 04-19-2003 21:31
quote:
Speak to Pugzly - I'm not sure he uses prop guns but he will be able to give you a few safety tips and tell you what you need to do to make sure your local PD don't come and pop a few caps in yo' ass.



First, in most states, it would be against the law for the parents to buy a gun and give it to their child. It's against the law to loan someone a firearm.

And a real gun that shoots blanks is what killed Brandon Lee.

Pointing a gun, even a fake one, at someone can still get you several years in prison. It can also get you killed by the police.

And shooting a blank at someone who's 5 feet a way can still cause extensive injuries, including the loss of an eye.

Sorry, but you won't get much encouragement from me about any of this. And I spend 8 hours a day playing with everything from air pistols to fully automatic weapons; from solid molded plastic replicas to working 'training' guns. You wouldn't see me doing anything like this, and I've got the training (and certs) to do just about anything.

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 04-19-2003 22:46

I think you should take that ^^^^^^^^^^^ as the definitive word from an expert. No matter how much planning and preparation you put in something can always go wrong. If you spoke to the director of the Crow and told him what you were planning I suspect he'd have enough sense to tell you not to. Lets be honest the big films have teams of armoury guys to make sure something doesn't go wrong but things still do. So its not really a case of don't point it at people, don't do this or don't do that (although it is good advice) - just don't do it.

Rather than seeing it is a limitation see it as a challenge and get some serious experience in post-production under your belt.

___________________
Emps

FAQs: Emperor

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 04-20-2003 02:23

Thanks for all the concerna and stuff, but I think I have it all under control. Found what I need, it's all legal, and all safe. I know what to do, how to do it, and the precautions to take.

Now this thread has no use unless anyone else wants to rabble on about safety , so if you do, feel free!

DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted posted 04-20-2003 03:54

Not at all.

feel free to put yourself in situations that could maim or kill you.

Just be considerate others and don't shoot at *them*.

=)

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 04-20-2003 04:20

And I look forward to the next addition of "Enormously Stupid Behaviour Caught on Tape VI"..........

___________________
Emps

FAQs: Emperor

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 04-20-2003 05:38

I wonder what would happen if I put a gun to my head with a blank in it, and fired it...



~BANG~

Oh.. Ouch...

~Falls Over~

warjournal
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From:
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 04-20-2003 06:12


Same thing that happened to Finius Bog.

vogonpoet
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Mi, USA
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 04-20-2003 06:23

if you put a gun to you head and pulled the trigger, you would miss any excuse for a brain you have by about 3 foot me thinks...

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 04-20-2003 06:25

Only one way to find out..

~Loads Gun~

Jestah
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Long Island, NY
Insane since: Jun 2000

posted posted 04-20-2003 06:36

Don't take this the wrong way Insider but with lack of experience and budget you're films are going to look like kids running around with their Dad's camcorder. Rather then set your parents up for a heavy lawsuit when you accidently knock out your buddy's eye, why not look for a toy gun that looks reasonably real? You can really challange yourself by trying to improve your acting/editing techniques so that it almost looks real.

I'd take Pugzly's advice if I were you. He knows a lot more about prop guns then you do.

Jestah

vogonpoet
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Mi, USA
Insane since: Aug 2000

posted posted 04-20-2003 06:41

~keeps fingers crossed~ this Easter is getting better and better....

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 04-20-2003 07:02

Jestah, are you familiar with a DV camera?

DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted posted 04-20-2003 07:11



ok, here's an idea: stop talking, go make your film, and *show* people. Don't tell them.

Jestah
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Long Island, NY
Insane since: Jun 2000

posted posted 04-20-2003 07:12

If by familar you mean usage of about two hours a day for 5 days @ school, then yes. Anything else no.

Jestah

eyezaer
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: the Psychiatric Ward
Insane since: Sep 2000

posted posted 04-20-2003 07:22

hmm...

The quality Jestaah was talking about was lack of experience, not video picture quality.

Trust me man, your first few bits will look verry rough. Heck, anything I shoot still looks like a kid runnin around with a cam.

It takes a lot of experience... its like the Wacom. Does it make you a better painter? heyack NO. It takes lots and lots of practice and lots and lots of... well... practice. So its great that you are getting a cam so you can start... but your equipment and props are secondary. they really are not important.

Now, a prop gun that fires may be incredibly *cool* but it will not help you at all in learning about shooting films. I would find it distracting, having another thing to worry about. Another thing to go wrong. If i was doing it, i would use a old bb gun i have that looks real, but has not insides any more as i have um... taken it apart and never got it to go back. foo. anyway... i seem to be digressing.

nevermind... i need to go now... and find some popcorn. I am getting board writing my own rantů


                                   

Jestah
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Long Island, NY
Insane since: Jun 2000

posted posted 04-20-2003 07:31

Yup - Izzy had it right. Don't be insulted but unless your friends are Steven Speilberg and Mel Gibson you lack the talent, experience, and budget to do anything but have fun. I'm not suggesting that you not have fun but rather preserve the fun by learning how to edit and act better instead of spending money on a prop gun that won't make a difference.

Jestah

Jestah
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Long Island, NY
Insane since: Jun 2000

posted posted 04-20-2003 07:43

All I have to say is "You'll shoot your eye out!"

Jestah

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 04-20-2003 07:43

Damnit, did I say anything about a propgun improving my films? No, I need it for a fucking funny short film. I got it now, shut up.

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