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Wes
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Inside THE BOX
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 07-09-2003 14:52

OK, this is the second time this has come up at work and I can't believe it's even an argument. (More accurately, I can't believe I'm the only one on my side on this.)

I say pirates say, "Arrr!"

Everyone else here at the station seems to think pirates say, "Arrgh!"

I have not once in my life heard a pirate character say, "Arrgh!" Listen to the sea captain on the Simpsons, for example. (Not a pirate exactly, but the same genre.)

A quick Google search for "pirates say" comes up with a lot of "Arrr," (or "Rrrr," which I believe the writers intend to be pronounced the same way) and very little "Arrgh."

It especially annoyed me when someone made a joke about a movie being rated "Arrgh." That doesn't even make sense. Arrr!

What do you think?

Amerasu
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posted posted 07-09-2003 14:56

Pirates definitely say "Arrrr!"

I've never heard one say "Arrgh!" That's just silly.

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Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 07-09-2003 14:56

Its Arr (with as many 'r's as the situation requires) - plain and simple, no messing around, no arguements, end of story.

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Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 07-09-2003 14:57

You know, I must admit that I never really thought all that much about this, but hearing your argument I guess I would have to agree with you. Especially if the "gh" in "Aaarrgh" is pronounced. Honestly, I've never pronounced the "gh," so it never really made that much of a difference to me.

And, for what it's worth, I doubt that actual pirates were overly fond of either of the options.

Emperor
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From: Cell 53, East Wing
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posted posted 07-09-2003 15:01

And as it is coming up soon the 'International Talk Like a Pirate Day' sites have some good guides:
http://talklikeapirate.com/howto.html
http://www.thomasscott.net/yarr/talk.html

By the way its September the 19th this year.

[edit: It appaers that Yarrr is also an acceptable variation of Arrr - but Arrrgh....... get out of town]

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warjournal
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posted posted 07-09-2003 15:21

Pirates come from all sorts of different countries.
Look at the differences between the King's English and American English.
Hell, even within a a single country a lot of differences can be found.
Ever heard of a southern drawl?
"Watch ya'll doin'?"
Why not different dialects or pronounciations for pirates?



Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 07-09-2003 16:01

I thought it was the Queen's English... oh well.

Personally, I'm all for the silent "gh." Less fighting that way.

Wes
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Inside THE BOX
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 07-09-2003 16:13

Emps -- great links. And I forgot about the "yarr" variation. That to me, is perfectly acceptable, and would go along with warjournal's dialect argument.

"Arrgh," however, still sounds to me like a pain response. Or an expression of annoyance. Or something a monster says. But not a pirate!

As for the silent "gh," the people around here aren't spelling it, they're saying it. They're adding the G sound. In fact, someone just did it again! It's bugging the hell out of me! Arrgh!


trib
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Den Haag, Netherlands
Insane since: Sep 2002

posted posted 07-09-2003 17:57

i guess if you asked a pirate if he wanted a glass of grog he'd answer .. "oooh aaarrr" ... but if you stuck him with a sword he's probably say "AAAARRRRGHHHH!!" ....

It's supposed to be "West Country" talk - Devon, Cornwall etc. which is (portsmouth for example) where a vast number of seamen (and hence pirates) came from, and it was popularised as "pirate talk" by Charles Laughton in his version of Long John Silver. However, just as many privateers on the British and French coats were, in fact, the lawless Manxmen ... who talked a totally different way, more a cross between Manchester, Belfast and Glasgow with a lot of duty-free rum sloshed in for good measure, and who also had a real language all their own which was akin to Gaelic, Celtic, Breton and Basque.


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bitdamaged
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posted posted 07-09-2003 18:29

I have to say I think Arrrr is more appropriate but while sitting here in my cube I can make it work with a very soft g in there.


hmm.... funny looks from coworkers



.:[ Never resist a perfect moment ]:.

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 07-10-2003 01:46

Ah, well, if the "gh" is pronounced, then I'd definitely have to vote against that. Although I think trib may have the best response in this thread so far.

Blaise
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posted posted 07-10-2003 01:53

Well trib states it clearly, which almost takes all teh fun out of the discussion

All I can add is that Arrrgh is possibly an Americanism and hence is clearly inferior to to Arrr being the original Pirate term.

As to weather it's Queens English or Kings english, well at the moment it's definitely the Queens, but back in the days it was quite definitely the Kings.

Arrr Matey.

Blaise

Moon Dancer
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: The Lost Grove
Insane since: Apr 2003

posted posted 07-10-2003 05:36

Arrgh! = Onomatopoeic expression of a groan.

Arrr! = Happy/angry/excited pirate.


Speaking of pirates...
Pirates of the Caribbean was a pretty good flick.

docilebob
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From: buttcrack of the midwest
Insane since: Oct 2000

posted posted 07-10-2003 06:22

~sheesh~ Don`t you people know any Pirates ?

First Mate : " Trouble at home again wit da missus, eh ?"
Capt. : " Yarrrr"
First Mate : " Down to the Inn for a grog, then ?"
Capt. " Arrr"
First Mate : " Aye, time a go `ome itis"
Capt. : " Arrrrghh "

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 07-10-2003 09:46

I thought 'Pirates of the Carribean' was a ride at Disney World. Or maybe I'm confused...

Man, it would be so neat to go to Disney World right about now...

Perfect Thunder
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Milwaukee
Insane since: Oct 2001

posted posted 07-10-2003 14:22

Speaking of which, I just saw the movie last night and must firmly recommend it. Johnny Depp as the slightly-insane Captain Jack Sparrow; the special effects and gruesome humor on the zombie pirates; the swordfights and nautical duesl; excellent stuff.

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Fig
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From: Houston, TX, USA
Insane since: Apr 2000

posted posted 07-10-2003 16:29

it is suho, you're not confused. its just also a new feature film, along with a variety of other comic heroes and novelizations this summer as we've apparently come to the end of all fresh ideas

i do want to check out the film tho, it looks fun. prob this weekend...

chris


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GrythusDraconis
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: The Astral Plane
Insane since: Jul 2002

posted posted 07-10-2003 19:00

I too, have seen the movie and highly recommend it. Did anyone else see the preview for Haunted Mansion by chance? Is Disney making a movie for all of their interesting theme rides?

Haunted Mansion looks funny at any rate.

Checks list
Next movie... League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

Oh... and ARRRRRR! You scurvy dog!



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Fig
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From: Houston, TX, USA
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posted posted 07-10-2003 19:57

ooh, yeah, i do want to see LXG. and finding nemo again

chris


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Perfect Thunder
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Milwaukee
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posted posted 07-10-2003 20:20

Speaking of Disney rides... Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom. Free, not too long, good read. One of those "believable future" doohickeys.

edit: I looked up "thingamabob" on dictionary.com and the definition was "a thingamajig." Subtle humor?

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Moth
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From: columbus, ohio, usa
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posted posted 07-11-2003 00:32

The only time a pirate would say Aaaarg! is if he put a cutlass through his foot. Then it would be Aaargh! *thud* Aaaargh! *thud* AAAAAARGH! *thud* as he hopped around on one foot.

kromaZ
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From: Adanac
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posted posted 07-11-2003 01:20

How frivolous and insignificant this place has become.

~shakes head and wonders off, beyond the horizon~

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 07-11-2003 01:34

Fig: Ah, thank you for the information. There's a slight lag in the time it takes movies to reach Korean theatres, unless they're really big ones (like Star Wars or LOTR).

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CRO8
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: New York City
Insane since: Jul 2000

posted posted 07-11-2003 01:37

"Arrr".

Maybe they say "Arrgh" in bizarro world.

Wes
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Inside THE BOX
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 07-11-2003 03:04
quote:
How frivolous and insignificant this place has become.


Taking the time to prove that, despite the fact no one at work agrees with me, I am not insane when it comes to these matters.

Arrr! Arrrrrrrrrrrr!


jedart
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From: Las Vegas
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posted posted 07-11-2003 05:07

It's are, as in "Are you ready kids..."

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Petskull
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posted posted 07-11-2003 06:46

Goddamnit, Wes!!

I agree with you- but no other soul that I know does...

Fucking bastards! Don't they know they're all wrong??

*heads off to argue with more frienads and family members*

Has anyone else's life been truely affected by this (it's stupid, I know)?


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Yannah
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: In your Hard Drive; C:
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posted posted 07-11-2003 08:15

Yeah, I think Pirates say "Arrr" pretty much than "Arrgh"...I think "arrgh" is for another thing.

DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted posted 07-11-2003 14:21

and to top it all off -
http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/10/sprj.cas03.wkd.piratemovies.ap/index.html

Even CCN fucks it up....

Wes
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Inside THE BOX
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posted posted 07-11-2003 14:35

Ugh!


Tyberius Prime
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Germany
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 07-11-2003 14:46

a propos lag... that movies's due the 4th of September in Germany!.

to which I say he came, he saw, he lagged out

Rameses Niblik the Third
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: From:From:
Insane since: Aug 2001

posted posted 07-14-2003 12:54
quote:
GASP! It's the legendary Black Beast of Arrrgh!



binary
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: Under the Bridge
Insane since: Nov 2002

posted posted 07-14-2003 15:09

~~ wonders why that big pirate with white long beared was shouting "HoHoHo" ~~


DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted posted 07-14-2003 18:04

Funny related story -

We (me, my girlfriend, the two girls (both 9yrs old) went to see Pirates of the Carribean this weekend.

As we were pulling in, my stepdaughter says to us, "this movie should be rated Arrrrrrr!"





Wes
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Inside THE BOX
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 07-15-2003 02:24

The children always know best. Arrr!

Human Shield
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From: Massachusetts, USA
Insane since: Jun 2000

posted posted 07-15-2003 04:44

I haven't bothered to read what anyone said here, but I went and saw PotC opening night and loved it. I then went and saw it Saturday and Sunday with two separate groups of friends. I think it's the movie of the summer. Nothing I've seen yet, nor anything I expect in the near future, is better than it.

Fig
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From: Houston, TX, USA
Insane since: Apr 2000

posted posted 07-15-2003 07:46

saw it sat night, really just a fun fun movie. johnny depp is brilliant and steals the show. definitely a must-see.

chris


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Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 07-15-2003 15:16

Saw this on BBSpot, thought it might be pertinent to the discussion at hand...

Pirate keyboard

Wes
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Inside THE BOX
Insane since: May 2000

posted posted 07-15-2003 15:44

Hahaha!

(Almost missed the upper-left button.)


Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 07-15-2003 16:01

LOL - good stuff although personally I think this is a more serious issue:
http://bbspot.com/News/2003/07/babylon_5.html

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