Preserved Topic: Art Deco & Art Nuveu(whatever (Page 1 of 1)

what's the difference?

what do they mean?

damnit, I want to sound like a pompus asshole, too!

"Not quite, Jerry. This actually Art Deco in it's earlier period..."


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Art deco usually refers to pieces from the 20's to the mid(?) 40's methinks. Shiny shit, bright colour, and really "design" oriented. It was minimalistic (sort of) in how it used shapes, sharp lines, and very little variance.

Art nouveau is flowy crap.

heh

Less with the sharp lines and shapes, it had more to do with nature, muted colours (but still colours, not really earthtones), and flowing curves. It was bigger as an artform earlier in the 20th Century than Art deco (sure, that sounds good..yeah.)

{EDIT: And right after I post, a better idea comes to me
http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=art%20deco
http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=art%20nouveau}

{EDIT2: Drac's got the shite that's right. So let's cut this one back.}


[This message has been edited by DarkGarden (edited 07-30-2002).]

[This message has been edited by DarkGarden (edited 07-30-2002).]

Art Nouveau was before Art deco in terms of design history. Most people pin it down to:

Nouveau (French for 'New Art') was from 1890 to 1905, after the ghastly designs from the victioran era (1837 - 1901). If you want to look into the victorian stuff search for William Morris and Christopher Dresser. But it was a rather poor time IMHO. Yet in Nouveau there was still a lot carried over from victorian era designs. One of the best examples of seriously kick ass Nouveau designs and illustrations is Mucha's work. -> www.mucha.cz Klimt also did some nice stuff but I don't have any resources on hand, sorry.

Nouveau has a lot of sweaping curves and often contains rather delicate petterns. Most press metal ceiling's would be considered nouveau.

Deco (1925 - 1929 circa WWII) followed Nouveau and it would have to be one of the most confusing periods of design history to research. I've come across many painting claiming to be art Deco painting but in reality their more victorian than anything. But Deco is all about geometry and power. Sleak clean lines. Weird arse perspective angles, massive towering geometric shapes, bold powerfull colours, that kinda stuff. The Chrysler bulding in the USA is considered an Art Deco monument in itself. There's tonns of really amazing art deco stuff around. Firstly look at AM.Cassandre's stuff. -> www.cassandre.fr He was the leader of the cubist movement (which Art Deco kinda came from) in his days and did a lot of really amazing work that many people are still copying from. One perspn in particular that owes a lot to Cassandre is Mike Kungl www.mkungl.com one of my all time favourite illustrators. You'll also see a lot of Deco like work in old WWII posters, both from the axis and the allies.

Another good place to research stuff like this is online art galleries like www.barewalls.com as a simple search of nouveau or deco will bring up world of visual goodies!

After deco there was Bauhaus. Don't overlook this one. Some really strong and amazingly powerfull line shape and space play happened in this movement. Very very cool indeed.

Well, I hope that helped. I'm a bit of a design history buff, just incase ya couldn't tell.

Edit: Darn, DG beat me to it!

[This message has been edited by Dracusis (edited 07-30-2002).]

Nice Drac....veddy nice.

Colour me impressed I'd argue about Gustav being categorized as art nouveau, but I bow down to the background infoman

Yeah, Gustav wasn't really nouveau was he, but design wasn't really design back then so I was only paying attention to the compositional elements of his paintings. It was a book about nouveau that initally pointed me toward him for the first time, so In this redard I have a rather bias view of his work.

again- you guys nail the landing...

many thanks, all around..


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hey, Drac... where was that 'Art Deco' sig of yours?


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Art Deco = Miami, Ocean Dr.

That was sooo cool!

In fairness Dracusis, were it not for the 'ghastly designs from the victioran era', there would likely have been no art nouveau movement. It gleans much of it's inherent form from representations created by the arts and crafts movement (who were not concerned with the national modernist trend towards 'Neo Clasicism' and instead turned their tools back to Mediaeval times).

Art nouveau (from Maison de l'Art Nouveau-Paris-1896) blends theses themes with processes and forms steming from advances in modernity, suggesting a future of the industrial yet maintaining that balance with the beauty of nature and the romance of literature. It also suffers, to some degre, from the sense of melancholy felt nationaly after the death if Prince Albert.

Art deco, on the other hand, was inflenced in no small part by the advances brought about by industrialisation and reflects a new level of optimism brought about by the ability to efficiently travel great distances.

It challenges nature and asserts that man is as capable of creating beautiful forms with his mechanical techniques.

In short:
Art Nouveau = Decorative romanticism.
Art Deco = Industrial egocentricism.

Yes yes, all true, but there are many ways to view the reasons behind all of these movements. I just choose the bits that interested me the most.

Being a designer I'm forced to make judgments against my perception of asthetics. If I don't then I stand to learn nothing from the research of such things. Turns out that my ideals conflict with certain periods. I wasn't saying the victorian era was pointless, I was simply expressing my feelings on it, important or not, I still don't like it.

Yet while Art Deco was in a great part about industrialisation or the new germetrical architecture, it was also in part inspired by the cubist movement, African Art and the Italian Futurists. Furthermore, it wasn't for the wealthy, but for the affluent middle class. It was for the smart fashionable professionals who were 'on the move' hence the domination of transportation depicted throughout the Art Deco era.

The you also have the improvments of manufactureing and comunications which opened up a huge potential for the production of goods creating enormous demand for advertising; magazines, wrappers, booklets and posters etc. This also had an impact on the bold sleek style of the time.

But most people find that a little boring so I left it out.

Art Decoish siggy :

I see your point, but for me, that's the most interesting aspect.

Art reflects society.
It's the ultimate political statement, and almost all art is driven by the underlying social structure of the period.

I'll leave it at that, or I'll be here all night!

Love the sig