Preserved Topic: Peanut Gallery for "Should Drugs Be Legal?" (Page 1 of 3)

All comments/compliments/opinions/questions should be asked/stated here please.

Try to be respectful to the debaters, no flaming or verbally asaulting them, respect their opinions too!

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Lets get it on! Again!

cool beans!

*pulls up, unpacks chair and table, takes off mumu and fashions it into a tent-like structure*

Tie Dyed T-Shirts! Get em here, get em now!

njuice42 Cell # 551
icq 957255

OK this should be an interesting one. Would smoking the peace pipe imply that we leant towards one camp or the other? Or just staying happily neutral?

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Emps

FAQs: Emperor

what the hell am I getting myself into .. lol


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[This message has been edited by RammStein (edited 09-19-2002).]

No, I think smoking the peacepipe is a mutual fealing .

OK seems like i am up to bat first so i will go pick up some ammo i mean facts and expect the first post to be up over the weekend, now i am off to feed my caffiene addiction (hey its legal may not be good for ya but legal)

pops over to njuice and grabs a few souvenier t shirts....


PS correction rammstien what have WE let ourselves in for.....Let the debate begin and let the best argument win

pps Emps depends on what WS put in it.....

ooops damn nearly blew it before i started didnt read the debate properly damn now i am going to have to read up on another countries law and legislaton etc, Insider thanks fopr the twist (next time try and stick to the damn topic) in case ya forgot should drugs be made legal....ok bitching over, gonna need some extra time as my argyment facts was based on the concept not based on the location aswell....grrrrr

[This message has been edited by tomeaglescz (edited 09-20-2002).]

Pssst, if he tells you, he will have to kill you .

bump so the ref can get his act together

are we talking Legal everywhere? or just in America .. and I thought Mari was legal in most european countries?

ps .. though it doesn't change my arguement much .. I'm sticking to my frist round statements and backing it up with other facts .. this should be fun .. I've actually already changed someone of my view point on the subject .. so I'm really going to have a great time with this and I really don't care who "wins" .. I've already learned more then I had originally thought I would have

kudos to everyone

[This message has been edited by RammStein (edited 09-20-2002).]

Ram NOW I havent got a clue the topic is should drugs be legal...but the ref has it different in the formal thread SNAFU....

and no MJ IS NOT LEGAL IN MOST OF EUROPE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

isn't the topic "should Drugs be legal?" .. I'm arguing "yes it should" and your argueing "no it shouldn't" .. atleast that's what I got from it .. I'm pro your con

I've already prepared my opening statement .. just have to change where I talk about America .. because I assumed we were just talking about legalizing drugs in America .. but it still doesn't change my opening statements

[This message has been edited by RammStein (edited 09-20-2002).]

ram me niether as far as openers go but my facrs n figures were more global than states still no biggy i guess ius the concepy thats is being argued and the same applies globally, just gonna have to aplly us facts n figures specfically now....

RS: No one wins, it is just a fun little thing we do!

Yes, it is in America, but feel free to extend your sources to europe but you are representing Pro for legalization of drugs in AMERICA. If anyone feels this is unfair I apologuise .

ins thx for the clarification...look for my opener soon


and lets have some fun

InSiDeR .. let me clarify .. I understand no one "wins" but I'm sure we all know some arguements are more compelling then others .. in that sense there is a "winner" .. mind you .. I put it in quotes as it no one is declared a winner but it is clear what points are more valid and properly represented through facts and examples

game on tom .. game on .. I toss down the gauntlet!

*gives Insider a complimentary Official Ozone Debate Tie Dyed T-Shirt and pats him on the head*

There, there...

njuice42 Cell # 551
icq 957255

(<--- for suho)

THE COLORS~!

Ahhh...nothing like a good peacepipe before a debate *Puff, puff*

*Sits down next to Njuice* Peacepipe? Nice Mumu....wow, the colors...oh, the colors...

Peacepipe, anyone?

*pulls from WS's peacepipe a few times, hands him a complimentary shirt as well*
I much agree, just gotta get a good seat, lean back and watch it all unfold. If I make a few quick bucks in the process with these things, all the better, no?

*marks a dollar off each shirt*

njuice42 Cell # 551
icq 957255

Thank you, InSiDeR. I was beginning to think I wouldn't get my fix for the day. Toss that peace pipe this-a-way, hombre... looks like we're in for a doozy.

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Cell 270

[This message has been edited by Suho1004 (edited 09-23-2002).]

Hehe...

*Passes Peacepipe*

Oh yeah, this is gettin' off to a great start...thanks for the shirt, Njuice! *puts on shirt* Groovy, man, really groovy...

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[takes the peacepipe] .. ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

well follow inmates .. tomorrow I leave for Mexico for one day .. will return on Sunday .. but I have my opening statements ready .. so if you don't see me respond til Sunday or Monday .. you'll know why

[pases the peacepipe to tom] .. come on tom one smoke wont hurt you .. I know your against the legalization of drugs but this is different .. this is us .. your follow inmates .. HEHE ..


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**tiki comes in grabs a t-shirt. Kicks off his flip flops and puts his feet up. Pulls out his grocery bag full of fresh roasted Georgia peanuts**

What was that Insider? A pre-emptive " "?

Suho, ya better watch it or the refs gonna eject you from the stands.

**Grabs pipe, Takes a toke **

Thats why I like you WS - you're always prepared.


-tiki, cell 478

~eagerly awaiting opening arguments~

hey folks sorrz for the delay something cropped up this weekend in r-l will try and get something up later today or monday, but its worth the wait.

thanks for keeping us up to date

OK Here is my approach to this debate as its a 1 - 1 i will use if everyone agrees the format i have used in the past,


1.opening statement on my side of the argument

2.opening statement from RAM

3.My full argument supported by facts figures etc.

4.RAMs full argument

5. q and a session

this is i think what insider was asking for but just asking for clarification so i dont get my ass chewed for not putting any supporting data in an opening statement and saving it for the full argument.


thx tom

opening statement posted in formal debate

very nice opening statement, but let me make a suggestion....

you would have made it much better if you would have simply said "the following drugs should not be legal because..."

but since you are going to catch up with that in ur next post, well said

ok ram your up!

Yup, insider said it, you should have said why they should not be legal. Instead of arguing against the reasons why they should. I sure hope your real argument consists of more than reasons why "the other guy is wrong"...



[This message has been edited by Dan (edited 09-22-2002).]

While I agree with the form InSiDeR and Dan have suggested, I'm also struck with disappointment that the reasons against aren't more obvious to all. But since this is a debate, it would be very good to spell it out.

Correct me if I'm wrong (it's been known to happen), but I thought this was going to be a "general" discussion--ie, no specific drugs were to be discussed. I know making it a philosophical argument may make it a bit difficult, but there are varying degrees of drugs out there, and comparing some of them is like comparing apples and oranges. I don't think the medical benefits of cannabis should come into play here, since that is one specific drug.

tom, no offense meant here, but you also might want to be a bit more careful with punctuation (esp. commas and dashes) in your posts. I had to read some of those sentences twice to figure out what you were trying to say.

I just got back today .. and I haven't had time to read tom's opening arguement .. but expect my response tomorrow


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[This message has been edited by RammStein (edited 09-23-2002).]

Now lets not try to bash tom, remember my first post sucked too...

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I thought this was going to be a "general" discussion--ie, no specific drugs were to be discussed.

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Suho, you don't expect them to use examples and stories to follow along the means of discussion? I do! I expect them to say things like:

"This person died after a cocaine over-dose at yey time of day at yey place."

This way we can better understand thier pov in the debate.

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Slimies are aloud, but because these threads tend to get long (we went through 4 on the last one) I ask that you do not post your graphic sigs (taglines are acceptable) to keep the filesize down to a minimum.

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tiki, ws, and ram, you aren't being mindful of the taglines only rule

[This message has been edited by InSiDeR (edited 09-23-2002).]

Well, first of all, I wasn't bashing tom (as I hope he realizes).

Secondly, perhaps I am misunderstanding the subject of the debate. In my mind, if you are going to have a "general" drug discussion, it's going to be a philosophical debate on (ultimately) personal good v. social good. If the debate is going to include all illegal drugs, you can't very well have people making statements about individual drugs. Like I said, it's like comparing apples and oranges when you're trying to have a debate about fruit in general.

I don't know. It makes sense to me, at least. But as long as you are happy with what the debaters present, then there's no problem, right?

Remember, this is the peanut gallery, and the people here are going to throw shells on the stage from time to time. Don't feel that you need to sweep every single shell off the stage the moment it hits the floor. Just let people babble on.

"I'm also struck with disappointment that the reasons against aren't more obvious to all."

Wow Bugs, I didn't expect that to come from you... You realize that if you take 100 people, and show them each these *reasons*, they'd still have 100 different oppinions as to why or why not drugs should be legalized.
I'm also sure there are some people (and some of which are as smart as you are) who think that the reasons for legalization are just as obvious.

Debating this would be useless if there was already a definate answer.

Dan, you know what? I was being lazy once again. Let me explain what I thought I read and why I said that. For some reason, I thought the point was made that tom should have spelled out the reasons why the drugs he mentioned have negative effects on the vast majority of those who use them.

As I read more carefully your comments, you were talking about the "legalization" rather than their effects. So FWIW, I still hope most people agree that the effects of these drugs in society has been a net negative.

Would you like some peanuts?

Im sorry too, for sounding off at you. I agree with you that drugs do have a negative effect on society, but we cant just ask everyone to think the same way

Obviously I missed what you were trying to say too.