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aroma Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: uk Insane since: Sep 2001	posted 12-10-2002 14:15 Hi all can I have your thoughts on my new website I know it's on a crap server but once i'm happy with the content and design i'm gonna get me a proper server!!!! any idea on how to get the stupid dots off of every page?????? http://members.lycos.co.uk/aromadesigns Cheers Aroma ps. check the photo section edit= would help if i posted the address [This message has been edited by aroma (edited 12-10-2002).]
Rameses Niblik the Third Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: From:From: Insane since: Aug 2001	posted 12-10-2002 14:18 Maybe this should be moved to the Site Reviews forum?
WebShaman Maniac (V) Mad Scientist From: Happy Hunting Grounds... Insane since: Mar 2001	posted 12-10-2002 14:31 Yes, I do believe this belongs in the 'Site reviews' forum...off ya go!
aroma Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: uk Insane since: Sep 2001	posted 12-10-2002 14:37 sorry not thinking straight Cheers Aroma
Veneficuz Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: A graveyard of dreams Insane since: Mar 2001	posted 12-10-2002 16:37 Remove the splash page. It doesn't serve any purpose and it makes me click the mouse one time too many to get to your site There is no need to use frames on your site either. In my opinion you should only use them when there is no other option and in you case the site would look as good without them. It might even look better since I get a HSoD under you left-frame(the border frame) and that one would dissappear when you removed the frames. You should add a background color to your site.. I have my default background color set to a tone of blue and your site doesn't look that good whith a blue background. You should also make the menu more apparent.. As it is now I had to search for it. And now for the source code.. All tags should go between the <html> and </html> tags (except doctype and encoding declarations). You can probably not do anything about the code from Lycos, but you shuld be abøe to fit your own code in there.. The head area (on all pages) should also have a <title> tag somewhere. You also need to delcare what DOCTYPE you are using at the beginning of each page. _________________________ "I don't know half of you as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve" - Bilbo Baggins (S.R 1401)
aroma Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: uk Insane since: Sep 2001	posted 12-11-2002 12:30 Thanks for taking time to look @ my site but being a novice compared to everyone here I have a few questions. What do you mean by a background color? I have the background set to #303030 on my stylesheet!! and on which pages haven't i put my code within <html></html>?????? Cheers Aroma
Suho1004 Maniac (V) Inmate From: Seoul, Korea Insane since: Apr 2002	posted 12-11-2002 12:53 Not sure about the background (but I can tell you that V has his default background set to light blue specifically to catch people who forget to set their background colors). As for "code within the html tags," I believe he's referring to the fact that your html tags seem to fall in the middle of your page. On the splash page, for example, you begin your first div before opening your html tag, and then you close the html tag later on. All of your tags should be nested (in other words, if you open tag A then tag B, you need to close tag B before you close tag A). Indenting your code can help you keep track of nesting. As for my comments, well, I also happen to have a severe allergic reaction to useless splash pages. This is, though, ultimately a personal choice. I would vote against it, but if you like it that's your call. I also noticed that, even after I click through the splash page, there is nothing on your front page except that "seasons greetings" image. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but you really want the content as close to the surface of your page as possible. As it is, I have to click twice to actually see anything. V also has a very good point about the menu, but I want to get into more specifics about why the menu isn't apparent. First of all, it's at the bottom of the page (a mistake I made in my own site, but it was worse because the menu was "below the fold"). Second of all, it's not distinguished from the regular text in any way. Not only is it the same font and size as the main text, but the links are the same color as the body text (this in itself is a very bad design choice, by the way, since the user can't tell what the links are until he/she accidentally mouses over them). This is compounded by the fact that you have a line of orange text up at the top (which, incidentally is what you have set as your hover color) that is not a link. It is generally a good idea to make sure that the colors you use for your links (main color, hover color, active color, visited color) are only used for that purpose. In other words, if your links are red, don't go putting in red text that is not a link. This was only confuse the user, and that is generally considered a Bad Thing™ (unless you're Nimraw, of course). Another thing about the menu is something that I consider to be one of my pet peeves: the fact that you can click on the link that leads to the current page. In other words, when I'm on the home page, I shouldn't be able to click on the home link. This is another thing that may confuse the user, and thus is a Bad Thing™. I would also recommend setting your font sizes using relative values. You don't really have any space constraints, so you don't really have a reason for not giving the user control over font sizes. Unless it's going to break your design, giving the user control over font sizes is a Good Thing™. I guess that's about it for now. Keep up the good work, and if you have any questions, feel free to fire away (woo-hoo, alliteration, baby! Sorry, weird mood...)
aroma Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: uk Insane since: Sep 2001	posted 12-11-2002 14:05 Thanks Suho really constructive criticism!!!!! I have corrected a few things (title tags, html tags and doc type) and will upload again!!! as for the design i will redesign it when i have chance (i'm off for a job interview in an hour!!) Cheers Aroma
Suho1004 Maniac (V) Inmate From: Seoul, Korea Insane since: Apr 2002	posted 12-11-2002 14:12 Heh, if there's one thing I understand, it's time constraints. Take your time, and let us know when you've made some changes. And good luck with the interview!
Veneficuz Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: A graveyard of dreams Insane since: Mar 2001	posted 12-11-2002 16:04 Good luck with the interview To get the background color to render correctly in all browsers you need to set code: body { background-color: #303030 } IE accepts it if you only set 'background', but Mozilla (and probably Opera as well) doesn't. _________________________ "There are 10 kinds of people; those who know binary, those who don't and those who start counting at zero"
Suho1004 Maniac (V) Inmate From: Seoul, Korea Insane since: Apr 2002	posted 12-12-2002 01:55 Ah... that's the reason. I guess you're using Mozilla, V?
Veneficuz Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: A graveyard of dreams Insane since: Mar 2001	posted 12-12-2002 15:19 Of course Most of the time I'm using Linux and Mozilla, but I'm thinking of switching over/back to winXP and Mozilla... I've grow used to the tabbed browsing (all of the other features) of Mozilla now so browsing without it (in for example IE) feels wierd. I tried Opera for a while as well, but Mozilla worked better for me... _________________________ "There are 10 kinds of people; those who know binary, those who don't and those who start counting at zero"
aroma Paranoid (IV) Inmate From: uk Insane since: Sep 2001	posted 12-13-2002 13:20 Well i've uploaded a redesigned site without frames etc etc and i'm now alot happier with it!!! Cheers Aroma

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aroma
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: uk
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted 12-10-2002 14:15

Hi all can I have your thoughts on my new website I know it's on a crap server but once i'm happy with the content and design i'm gonna get me a proper server!!!!

any idea on how to get the stupid dots off of every page??????
http://members.lycos.co.uk/aromadesigns

Cheers Aroma

ps. check the photo section

edit= would help if i posted the address

[This message has been edited by aroma (edited 12-10-2002).]

Rameses Niblik the Third
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: From:From:
Insane since: Aug 2001

posted 12-10-2002 14:18

Maybe this should be moved to the Site Reviews forum?

WebShaman
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: Happy Hunting Grounds...
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted 12-10-2002 14:31

Yes, I do believe this belongs in the 'Site reviews' forum...off ya go!

aroma
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: uk
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted 12-10-2002 14:37

sorry not thinking straight

Cheers Aroma

Veneficuz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: A graveyard of dreams
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted 12-10-2002 16:37

Remove the splash page. It doesn't serve any purpose and it makes me click the mouse one time too many to get to your site

There is no need to use frames on your site either. In my opinion you should only use them when there is no other option and in you case the site would look as good without them. It might even look better since I get a HSoD under you left-frame(the border frame) and that one would dissappear when you removed the frames.

You should add a background color to your site.. I have my default background color set to a tone of blue and your site doesn't look that good whith a blue background. You should also make the menu more apparent.. As it is now I had to search for it.

And now for the source code.. All tags should go between the <html> and </html> tags (except doctype and encoding declarations). You can probably not do anything about the code from Lycos, but you shuld be abøe to fit your own code in there.. The head area (on all pages) should also have a <title> tag somewhere. You also need to delcare what DOCTYPE you are using at the beginning of each page.

_________________________
"I don't know half of you as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve" - Bilbo Baggins (S.R 1401)

aroma
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: uk
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted 12-11-2002 12:30

Thanks for taking time to look @ my site but being a novice compared to everyone here I have a few questions.

What do you mean by a background color? I have the background set to #303030 on my stylesheet!!

and on which pages haven't i put my code within <html></html>??????

Cheers Aroma

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted 12-11-2002 12:53

Not sure about the background (but I can tell you that V has his default background set to light blue specifically to catch people who forget to set their background colors). As for "code within the html tags," I believe he's referring to the fact that your html tags seem to fall in the middle of your page. On the splash page, for example, you begin your first div before opening your html tag, and then you close the html tag later on. All of your tags should be nested (in other words, if you open tag A then tag B, you need to close tag B before you close tag A). Indenting your code can help you keep track of nesting.

As for my comments, well, I also happen to have a severe allergic reaction to useless splash pages. This is, though, ultimately a personal choice. I would vote against it, but if you like it that's your call.

I also noticed that, even after I click through the splash page, there is nothing on your front page except that "seasons greetings" image. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but you really want the content as close to the surface of your page as possible. As it is, I have to click twice to actually see anything.

V also has a very good point about the menu, but I want to get into more specifics about why the menu isn't apparent. First of all, it's at the bottom of the page (a mistake I made in my own site, but it was worse because the menu was "below the fold"). Second of all, it's not distinguished from the regular text in any way. Not only is it the same font and size as the main text, but the links are the same color as the body text (this in itself is a very bad design choice, by the way, since the user can't tell what the links are until he/she accidentally mouses over them). This is compounded by the fact that you have a line of orange text up at the top (which, incidentally is what you have set as your hover color) that is not a link.

It is generally a good idea to make sure that the colors you use for your links (main color, hover color, active color, visited color) are only used for that purpose. In other words, if your links are red, don't go putting in red text that is not a link. This was only confuse the user, and that is generally considered a Bad Thing™ (unless you're Nimraw, of course).

Another thing about the menu is something that I consider to be one of my pet peeves: the fact that you can click on the link that leads to the current page. In other words, when I'm on the home page, I shouldn't be able to click on the home link. This is another thing that may confuse the user, and thus is a Bad Thing™.

I would also recommend setting your font sizes using relative values. You don't really have any space constraints, so you don't really have a reason for not giving the user control over font sizes. Unless it's going to break your design, giving the user control over font sizes is a Good Thing™.

I guess that's about it for now. Keep up the good work, and if you have any questions, feel free to fire away (woo-hoo, alliteration, baby! Sorry, weird mood...)

aroma
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: uk
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted 12-11-2002 14:05

Thanks Suho really constructive criticism!!!!!

I have corrected a few things (title tags, html tags and doc type) and will upload again!!!
as for the design i will redesign it when i have chance (i'm off for a job interview in an hour!!)

Cheers Aroma

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted 12-11-2002 14:12

Heh, if there's one thing I understand, it's time constraints. Take your time, and let us know when you've made some changes.

And good luck with the interview!

Veneficuz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: A graveyard of dreams
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted 12-11-2002 16:04

Good luck with the interview

To get the background color to render correctly in all browsers you need to set

code:

body { background-color: #303030 }

IE accepts it if you only set 'background', but Mozilla (and probably Opera as well) doesn't.

_________________________
"There are 10 kinds of people; those who know binary, those who don't and those who start counting at zero"

Suho1004
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted 12-12-2002 01:55

Ah... that's the reason. I guess you're using Mozilla, V?

Veneficuz
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: A graveyard of dreams
Insane since: Mar 2001

posted 12-12-2002 15:19

Of course Most of the time I'm using Linux and Mozilla, but I'm thinking of switching over/back to winXP and Mozilla... I've grow used to the tabbed browsing (all of the other features) of Mozilla now so browsing without it (in for example IE) feels wierd. I tried Opera for a while as well, but Mozilla worked better for me...

_________________________
"There are 10 kinds of people; those who know binary, those who don't and those who start counting at zero"

aroma
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: uk
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted 12-13-2002 13:20

Well i've uploaded a redesigned site without frames etc etc and i'm now alot happier with it!!!

Cheers Aroma

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