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Yeh that is a good point, i did have it so if that was case it reloaded the page in the frames version, i dont think it went to the same page tho. You could probably write a php script or something to deal with that problem quite easily i suspect, but i have taken all of your advice and gone with a non frame layout. Like they say old habbits die hard :P... I still do think its a major advantage having your menu always there not having to scroll for it, which is probably a major advantage i would consider with frames. You can get the same effect with javascript quite easily i guess, but the ones i've seen dont seem to be very smooth and are quite distracting. And not everyone has JS.. the good thing with frames also is it works in every browser as far as i can tell. But oh well, i honestly didnt expect people to be as anti frames as i've seen =)
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