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I am studying every word Kartis writes and I used DL-44 tutorial for the logo of the old skyetyger.com site..so I appreciate the comments very much..I am going to learn absolute positioning..but I like mobruls "folding" pages..there is a way to center an element: [url=http://www.skyetyger.com/toshall.html]http://www.skyetyger.com/toshall.html[/url] click twice to drop the menu.. If To Shall doesn't have the element centering code, I will upload some of the other pages.. I have made many changes to pindex..the Logo size on pindex is may require a redesign and will take time..but I see what you mean...I lost my courtesy browers when I changed computers..so I am not certain if I can deal with cross-platform problems these days.
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