Topic: frames

OK, I wasn't sure where this post would fit in, but considering that a typical discussion involving FRAMES would include someone mentioning its cross-browser problems. . . .this seems like a good spot.

I have noticed that more and more sites these days are using frames vs. a year ago. Recalling what my web design instructor said to me one day, "Chris, don't EVER use frames. They are too confusing to work with and not all browsers support them."

Well, it seems that a good deal of people are using them, so I was wondering if someone could tell me:
1) which browsers support/don't support frames?
2)When using frames, is it still a good idea to develop 2 separate sites, one with frames and one w/o?

Thanks.
CRO8

i am told that search engines cant properly parse frames pages. lynx doesnt support frames pages, and im not sure how browsers for the blind deal with them...

if you can write a site without frames, then do it. most search engines will point to a page within the site instead of your parent frame, leaving the viewer without navigation in most cases.

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Thanks la'dsasha

For the time being, I will go without frames and advize my clients accordingly.

CRO8

w3m is a text browser with support for frames (it converts them to tables)...

I believe it is acceptable to design with frames (personally i don't) as long as you give the user a way out of them. "Click here for non-frames version" or a splash page with a choice.

I seem to be the lone defender of the antiframe way at my shop. The only Ace I have left in my hand is that frame sites puke when you print them, and worse, they puke different in every browser (including every IE).

Actual consultant reply: "Well, can't you just train the users to right-click and choose print frame?"

I like frames.

I have always liked frames.

From a design standpoint, it's like anyother option....if you know what you're doing you can make it look good.

Good example of a weel done site using frames: http://212.28.215.172:8300/launch/

Also, watch as you go through Ozones....yuo'll be surprised how many frames you find.



[This message has been edited by DL-44 (edited 03-27-2001).]

Actually, I'm not a very big fan of frames (my new web site won't use them anymore)...