Topic: All *OLD* browsers SUCK

I read an articles at ALA entitled To Hell With Bad Browsers and followed the links provided. It's a good news to web developers, and I actually smiled while reading it. They set a standards to web browsers and no more multiple browser coding.

What do you think?

[This message has been edited by Rick (edited 04-24-2001).]

i think its all been said before...
but yah its a good thing =)

IMHO You can't force people to upgrade their web browser if they don't want to...

Yeah, I was thinking about it too, Max. You can't force visitors to go and download new browsers, but maybe we can just advice them to grab one for their own benefits. It's a good thing that all browsers will be having a set of standard, and web developers should advice (but not by forcing) their visitors to give a chance to one of these browsers to improve their Web experience. We, web developers, should support this and tell visitors to do the same.

It can be done, no force, no harm. ;D

I think one of the things that we will always see is that each implementation of *any* browser, even the brand-spankin' newest one off the shelf will have stupid STUPID subtle differences between platform/versions, etc. Add to the mix that we have several manufacturers of "standards compliant" browsers and multiply it times the different types of platforms available and you get... all browsers suck. They always will, IMHO, at least until we are all issued our identical PC's at birth and Admin priviledges are *not* included.

Note: They will get better! Standards are good, but this forum will always have a place in the grand scheme of things.

Your pal, -doc-

Great points Doc!

I have actually quit working for two of my clients because they refused to upgrade their browsers and except change. They didn't want any CSS, Javascript, dHTML, Flash or any other types of $$$ making work, just straight HTML. It's very difficult to make any money off of a customer like that so I quit!

I think when it comes down to it the evolutionary nature of the Internet will force people to upgrade in due time becuase these people will be missing out on a lot great content and design experiences.

You have your point there, Doc. I think browser developers should come up with a standard multiple platforms (OS ?) browser. Is that possible? Or should we wait for another evolution of the WWW?

I hope that Microsoft will create Internet Explorer for Linux one day...

I've seen IE for Solaris, it's a HUGE beast, but it does work the way you'd hope it should, most CSS and javascript seems to work, a decent port. Still! Slow it is, and HUGE. My Solaris buddies tried it, but still rely mainly on Netscape. (I've done some work on trying to make fonts and such work on Sun Solaris, I assume Linux has the same problems, the default fonts are funny, and most pretty sites (like this one?) the fonts appear WAY too small.

Your pal, -doc-

MS should really develop an IE for Linux, or maybe Linux should develop its own browser so that it'll not rely on IE and NN. I've tried used Linux few months ago. It's good, but I don not prefer to use NN. I, most of the time, prefer to use IE.

Yeah, I know that there's IE for Solaris, but that's not Linux... I wish there was an IE for my RedHat Linux intranet server, I really hate using Shitscape. Anyway, when I install new RedHat Linux 7.1, I'll probably play with Galeon (Mozilla-based browser)...

why dont you use Konquerer? im not sure if there is a linux version, but its what my boyfriend uses on OpenBSD. it reminds me a lot of Opera, and uses netscape plugins (for flash, etc). i thought there was an opera version for linux anyways.. which is better than netscape in my opinion *shrugs* (except how it handles window.open).

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what about mozilla? there is a version available for linux!

Konqueror is part of KDE and it's available for Linux, but I prefer Mozilla...

Should there be a *special* browser for each OS, or for each platform? I'm thinking about those browsers which best worked in only one platform, but buggy in other platform. Yeah, they made it platform compatible, but still it works best in only a single platform, you know what I mean?

Name me a browser which work best in *almost* every platform available... is there any? Sorry, I've only used Windows and Mac, but use Windows most of the time. I've never used other platforms...

Still, all browsers, new and old, still suck..

Yeah, I've changed my mind... all browser still suck as it was.. Doc's points really hit me.. I never thought of it..

This is one of the things that Netscape at least made an attempt with, they always released their browsers for all 3 main platforms at the same time, and they all did work close to the same. MS staggers the releases of it's IE software to the point where the Mac version hardly even resembles it's Windows counterpart, although the Solaris version comes close. Opera also seems to target all platforms at the same time, but I don't like Opera. (Sorry!) Mozilla will one day be cool, but the darn thing is so *slow* for me, regardless of which platform I try it in. Max, is it faster on Linux?

Your pal, -doc-

Heh, I can't make any comments about speed of Mozilla, because I'm running RedHat Linux on my old Pentium200 machine, which is much slower than my current PIII machine...