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see, I'm a big fan of the proper implementation. I mean, if I'm designing something for print, I need to know how big the paper is--i.e., how big the box is. If I add a four inch border to it, if the paper isn't large enough to encompass it, then it doesn't work. but then again, perhaps it's just two sides of the same coin. Alas. u-neek, I've taken a long, hard look at your CSS... and here's what I've come up with some issues... [code] #menu { width: 180px; padding: 0px; margin: -52px -15px 10px 10px; float: right; voice-family: "\"}\""; voice-family: inherit; margin: -45px -33px 10px 10px; } [/code] as you can see here, you've used the voice-family workaround (which doesn't work all the time, keep in mind) but you implemented it oddly--you redefined margins instead of width. The margins are fine--redefine the width. And don't forget to put html>body#menu with the new width as well. [code] #title { background: #fff; padding:0px; margin-right:-30px; margin-left:-16px; width:100%; voice-family: "\"}\""; voice-family: inherit; width:auto; margin-right:-32px; } [/code] you'll find issues using 100% widths; after all, how do you tell the system to remove 42px (for example) from 100%? How does one define that? Try spilling it over and having the css boxes wrap around them in floats or absolute positioning. You'll find it to be a lot less of a headache. [code] #title h1 { font-size: 18px; border-top: 1px dotted #000; border-bottom: 1px dotted #000; border-left: 10px solid #000; margin-top:10px; padding: 5px 10px 5px 10px; } [/code] You've got lots of stuff here playing with the width of the area--which was already defined as 100%. Keep all box-level definitions in one declaration, and move the text styling to a different one. That should give you a start. [url=http://th-inknet.com/steve] [img]http://miscminutiae.com/doc/sig.gif[/img] s t e p h e n[/url]
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