Topic: nn 4.7 troubles

Could someone tell me why in nn4.7x, my page is only as long as the left side graphic? I cannot get it to scroll to the bottom of the page. i figure it has to do with the use of css and positioning, but really don't know why it would do this. anyway around it short of using nested tables for layout?

the problem can be viewed here

thanks

Yeah...I doubt that there is anyway around it. NN4.7 doesn't like CSS Positioning. I will take a look at it as soon as I get back to my home computer that has NN4.7 on it.

I have to ask why you are using CSS Positioning when you are using tables? I think that it would be better to use one or the other. CSS-P is usually used instead of tables. But like I said NN4.7 doesn't like CSS-P at all.

Then you just have to be careful of how you nest the tables because NN4.7 also displays tables kind of differently than IE does.

Someone else may have a different opinion though.

wcr one: CPrompt is right (and I'm sure this has come up before) if you are going to use tables for layout then use them but mixing a table layout and absolute positioning is a recipe for problems in NS4.x. In fact looking at your page in IE at 800x600 the T from 'The Granite Curling Club...' overlaps slightly with the target graphic (screen grab available if you want).

So the answer to your question is probably not.

Emps


You're my wife now Dave

rats! I needed a little table/css overlap because I was having problems getting the effects I wanted, like the repeating vertical and horizontal backgrounds to expand to the page. For text positioning I only used it on the first page because I needed two columns of text and css still didn't work in nn4.7. it did that thing where the right column is about one word wide and won't scroll, and that was without a table. HATE nn4.shit.

emps, if you could post that screen shot I would appreciate it. I am not getting that problem.

thanks

wcr one

wcr one: Can't you try using background images on the cells or something? I suspect if you are trying for an effect like that then you might have to accept it won't work in all browsers or use quite a few tables. I'll hold off with the screenshot because something odd is still happening with IE on this machine and it could be the result of that. I'll wander off to another computer and see if it is happening on that.

Emps


You're my wife now Dave

well I guess I migth wait to see if I get any complaints on it first. our club is about 300+ members, not all are going to use the site regularly, etc., so maybe I can dodge the bullet as far as no one having nn 4.crap. of course I have to think about the general public/interested new folks. I (kinda) understand why the first page maybe doing this restricted page length thing, as I am directly positioning a nested table, but many of the pages do not use a table for the text, is it the side nav table that is doing this? why does it hate me so?

actually as far as the side nav goes, a while back you said to use css for this instead of a table, would I need a a style for each line (as far as positioning)? would I stick it in a div, then nested div for the indented area? of course that does nothing for the repeating vert and horiz images. sigh.

wcr one

wcr one: I wonder if while developing the page and adding elements that you've introduced a little too much complication which is causing you problems. I have found that now you've got what you want but there are problems it can help if you mock up a simplified version from scratch. It shouldn't take too much work but you might want, for example, to try a few ideas to make the vertical and horizontal backgrounds to work. It could just be something simple is required but the set up of the page is stopping you from experimenting. Hmmm I don't think I explained that well - try extracting the element that is causing trouble and mock up a simplified version of it to test various approaches. I know I've found that approach useful esp. when the design has grown organically from a few ideas and then breaks in one browser.

With your side navigation all you really need to do is pop each link in a DIV (you might need to set up a class to deal with padding or margins if they are required) and that is all you should need. Technically tables are only really needed to hack crossbrowser columns so in this design you'd only need a couple.

Emps


You're my wife now Dave

danke herr emperor,

I will try the take one piece out at a time approach and see if I can see what the problem is (otehr than my lame knowledge base). now if I can just find some spare time. I know I left lying around here somewhere.....

wcr one