Topic: Positioning and transparent gifs (Page 1 of 1) |
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Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate From: Västerås, Sweden |
posted 12-02-2002 15:20
Some say that using transparent gifs and tables to achieve exact positioning of text and images is a thing of the past... CSS techniques should be used instead to achieve the same result, they say. What do you say? |
Bipolar (III) Inmate From: Cold Sweden |
posted 12-02-2002 15:58 |
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate From: Västerås, Sweden |
posted 12-02-2002 16:09
I use CSS too. However there are situations where I rely on older techniques. |
Bipolar (III) Inmate From: Cold Sweden |
posted 12-02-2002 16:26 |
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate From: Västerås, Sweden |
posted 12-02-2002 16:47
Don't you find that div's cause problems with overlapping? |
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist From: Massachusetts, USA |
posted 12-02-2002 17:23
CSS is a lot more powerful than people believe it to be. |
Maniac (V) Inmate From: under the bed |
posted 12-02-2002 19:14
The problem with the train of thought going on here is that people tend to view the use of CSS in terms of the old concepts. |
Maniac (V) Inmate From: out of a sleepy funk |
posted 12-02-2002 20:08
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Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist From: Massachusetts, USA |
posted 12-02-2002 21:19
Perhaps, but those workarounds are a lot more elegant than table tricks. =) |
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate From: Västerås, Sweden |
posted 12-03-2002 09:08
I've found that a table layout in combination with CSS works quite well. I'm always open to new ideas though. Just don't like the attitude that tables are out completely and CSS is the quintessential answer to everything. People who reason like that must not be burdened with having to make designs that also have to work with NS4.6 and other nightmare browsers. I envy those people but I don't agree with them. ;-) |
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers From: Cell 53, East Wing |
posted 12-03-2002 14:24
What you use depends on your brief for the site - if it has to work in NS 4.x and older browsers then you need to use tables (unless you get really lucky), however, there is usually very little excuse for complex nesting of tables and other coding horrors. |
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate From: Västerås, Sweden |
posted 12-03-2002 14:32
Yup, these days... |
Maniac (V) Inmate From: under the bed |
posted 12-03-2002 18:06
Well if it has to look indentical in NN4x, obviously you can't use the same techniques. but that type of support for obsolete browsers is problematic in and of itself. |
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist From: Massachusetts, USA |
posted 12-03-2002 19:47
DL-44 is right: supporting an old browser requires nothing more than making sure your page degrades well. What you need to do is write a standards-based page that can be viewed and used from even the simplest text browser. That, of course, will work in NN 4. Then add CSS that will work in NN4. At *that* point, you can go ahead and add functionality through scripting and/or additional CSS - just make it so that it has no effect in NN 4. Then NN 4 users get a simple page that looks halfway decent, while users with recent browsers will get a page that works just as well, but is more fun or visually appealing. |
Maniac (V) Inmate From: out of a sleepy funk |
posted 12-04-2002 00:19
BlueHarvest: I know exactly what you're talking about with the site specific nn4 instances. In the cases I've seen they relate to the target audience. This is something that a lot of designers forget about as they're normally preaching CSS layouts and nn4 degradation to a crowd that is using the latest browsers (in forums of their peers especially). When you're redesigning a site that's getting a ton of visits from the purchasing agents and engineers at ABC Co. and ABC Co. uses NN4.7 as a corporate standard, well, you tend to make it look real nice for that crowd, degradation is not an option, and tabled layouts will work the same for all browsers. Server side tools are going to give you your seperation of style and content (as well as the fabled ease-of-update) in this case. |
Maniac (V) Inmate From: under the bed |
posted 12-04-2002 00:51
JK - picked it up but wasn't positive it was a jab it was so subtle Agreed. |
Nervous Wreck (II) Inmate From: Västerås, Sweden |
posted 12-04-2002 11:15
DL: Hehe, I like that expression "degrade respectibly". That's usually what you have to shoot for when your audience is equiped with both the latest browsers and the old dreaded ones. |