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SPyX Bipolar (III) Inmate From: College Station, TX Insane since: Aug 2002	posted 10-21-2003 23:45 Can anyone tell me why neither Netscape nor Mozilla will read my stylesheet here -> www.bonfirecoalition.com ? It's pronounced "Spikes!"
Slime Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist From: Massachusetts, USA Insane since: Mar 2000	posted 10-22-2003 00:28 http://www.bonfirecoalition.com/style/stylestuff.css doesn't seem to exist, and that's what you're linking to. It looks like you're expecting the browser to find the style sheet at a different URL than the browser thinks it's looking at. You'll have to either change how the the URL forwarding works, or use an absolute link to the correct domain.
SPyX Bipolar (III) Inmate From: College Station, TX Insane since: Aug 2002	posted 10-22-2003 00:58 Ya, I've contacted the guy who controls the domain and told him to turn off the url masking. The reason this is confusing for me is because the site works fine in IE and Opera. Is it just the way the different browsers handle the masking?
DL-44 Maniac (V) Inmate From: under the bed Insane since: Feb 2000	posted 10-22-2003 01:17 Basically, IE has a big bad habit of "guessing" at what you mean rather than Mozilla's approach of making you be very clear about it. This applies to a wide variety of things that IE does that it really shouldn't.....I will assume that it is also the case here.
SPyX Bipolar (III) Inmate From: College Station, TX Insane since: Aug 2002	posted 10-23-2003 22:49 I've gotten the url masking turned off and changed the stylesheet link to the actual url of the stylesheet, but netscape still won't load it. Any ideas appreciated.
Slime Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist From: Massachusetts, USA Insane since: Mar 2000	posted 10-23-2003 23:04 Strange. Typing the url of the stylesheet ( http://stuact.tamu.edu/stuorgs/bcs/images/header_right1.jpg ) directly into Mozilla gets me the style sheet; however, when I try to validate it ( http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fstuact.tamu.edu%2Fstuorgs%2Fbcs%2Fstyle%2Fstylestuff.css&warning=1&profile=css2&usermedium=all ), I get an I/O error of some sort. Validating via copy/paste shows no errors, so I guess the CSS isn't the source of the problem. Hmm... are you uploading the style sheet via FTP? If so, are you uploading it in binary or ascii mode? I'm just sort of throwing out ideas at this point, I have no idea what's going wrong.
SPyX Bipolar (III) Inmate From: College Station, TX Insane since: Aug 2002	posted 10-23-2003 23:15 Yes I am uploading it via FTP and that would be. . . lemme check. . . binary mode. Edit: Just tried uploading with ascii. No change. [This message has been edited by SPyX (edited 10-23-2003).]
CPrompt Maniac (V) Inmate From: there...no..there..... Insane since: May 2001	posted 10-24-2003 02:19 It's your DTD tags. Change it to: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> and it will work. You are not the only one that has had this problem Now, the weird thing about this is, is that Mozilla won't allow the http stuff... Later, C:\ ~Binary is best~ [This message has been edited by CPrompt (edited 10-24-2003).]
DL-44 Maniac (V) Inmate From: under the bed Insane since: Feb 2000	posted 10-24-2003 15:25 How weird. I haven't read that whole article yet, but it seems to be a sligthly different issue. I'll have to read the rest of it though. I can't imagine you would have to change to a transitional doctype just to get your stylesheet to be read.... I can't come up with an explanation though... Very very odd that the validator can't access the stylesheet either.....
CPrompt Maniac (V) Inmate From: there...no..there..... Insane since: May 2001	posted 10-24-2003 18:05 yeah it's weird alright. i tested it though from here and that is what it was. strange.......very strange......... Later, C:\ ~Binary is best~
SPyX Bipolar (III) Inmate From: College Station, TX Insane since: Aug 2002	posted 10-24-2003 19:43 I love you C:\ So the lesson here is to not use a strict doctype yet?
CPrompt Maniac (V) Inmate From: there...no..there..... Insane since: May 2001	posted 10-24-2003 21:19 blushes yeah, it really sucks too to not be able to use strict DTD. I try to work hard to make my pages very strict to the rules and Nutscrape has to go and screw it up. Later, C:\ ~Binary is best~
CPrompt Maniac (V) Inmate From: there...no..there..... Insane since: May 2001	posted 10-25-2003 17:18 you know, since it looks like from your mark up that you are using the XHTML standard stuff (all ending tags) try to use the XHTML transitional and see if that works. <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en"> Just a thought. Later, C:\ ~Binary is best~
DL-44 Maniac (V) Inmate From: under the bed Insane since: Feb 2000	posted 10-25-2003 22:51 I use XHTML 1.0 strict (with the strict doctype) on all of my pages. I have never had a problem even remotely resembling this. Not using a strict doctype is a rather sill concept, IMO. They are used all over the web all the time without problem. There has got to be more to it than just strict vs transitional....
Slime Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist From: Massachusetts, USA Insane since: Mar 2000	posted 10-25-2003 22:59 Yeah, this is probably something more subtle than that. You might try temporarily removing the doctype altogether and seeing if it works then. If it doesn't work without a doctype (in quirks mode), then I wouldn't expect it to be related to the doctype at all. Let's just squelch this now before it becomes a rumor: it's extremely unlikely that the usage of a strict document type definition is the source of this problem.
CPrompt Maniac (V) Inmate From: there...no..there..... Insane since: May 2001	posted 10-26-2003 03:16 quote: You might try temporarily removing the doctype altogether and seeing if it works then. Actually this is how I found out that that was causing the problem. I copied the page from the source and when I did I left out the doctype by accident. It worked fine and then it took me like 15 minutes to realize I left out the doctype........ Later, C:\ ~Binary is best~

Topic: Netscape Trouble\$

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SPyX
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: College Station, TX
Insane since: Aug 2002

posted 10-21-2003 23:45

Can anyone tell me why neither Netscape nor Mozilla will read my stylesheet here -> www.bonfirecoalition.com ?

It's pronounced "Spikes!"

Slime
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Massachusetts, USA
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted 10-22-2003 00:28

http://www.bonfirecoalition.com/style/stylestuff.css doesn't seem to exist, and that's what you're linking to.

It looks like you're expecting the browser to find the style sheet at a different URL than the browser thinks it's looking at. You'll have to either change how the the URL forwarding works, or use an absolute link to the correct domain.

SPyX
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: College Station, TX
Insane since: Aug 2002

posted 10-22-2003 00:58

Ya, I've contacted the guy who controls the domain and told him to turn off the url masking. The reason this is confusing for me is because the site works fine in IE and Opera. Is it just the way the different browsers handle the masking?

DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted 10-22-2003 01:17

Basically, IE has a big bad habit of "guessing" at what you mean rather than Mozilla's approach of making you be very clear about it. This applies to a wide variety of things that IE does that it really shouldn't.....I will assume that it is also the case here.

SPyX
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: College Station, TX
Insane since: Aug 2002

posted 10-23-2003 22:49

I've gotten the url masking turned off and changed the stylesheet link to the actual url of the stylesheet, but netscape still won't load it.

Any ideas appreciated.

Slime
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Massachusetts, USA
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted 10-23-2003 23:04

Strange. Typing the url of the stylesheet ( http://stuact.tamu.edu/stuorgs/bcs/images/header_right1.jpg ) directly into Mozilla gets me the style sheet; however, when I try to validate it ( http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fstuact.tamu.edu%2Fstuorgs%2Fbcs%2Fstyle%2Fstylestuff.css&warning=1&profile=css2&usermedium=all ), I get an I/O error of some sort. Validating via copy/paste shows no errors, so I guess the CSS isn't the source of the problem.

Hmm... are you uploading the style sheet via FTP? If so, are you uploading it in binary or ascii mode?

I'm just sort of throwing out ideas at this point, I have no idea what's going wrong.

SPyX
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: College Station, TX
Insane since: Aug 2002

posted 10-23-2003 23:15

Yes I am uploading it via FTP and that would be. . . lemme check. . . binary mode.

Edit: Just tried uploading with ascii. No change.

[This message has been edited by SPyX (edited 10-23-2003).]

CPrompt
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: there...no..there.....
Insane since: May 2001

posted 10-24-2003 02:19

It's your DTD tags. Change it to: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> and it will work.

You are not the only one that has had this problem

Now, the weird thing about this is, is that Mozilla won't allow the http stuff...

Later,

C:\

~Binary is best~

[This message has been edited by CPrompt (edited 10-24-2003).]

DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted 10-24-2003 15:25

How weird.

I haven't read that whole article yet, but it seems to be a sligthly different issue. I'll have to read the rest of it though.

I can't imagine you would have to change to a transitional doctype just to get your stylesheet to be read....

I can't come up with an explanation though...

Very very odd that the validator can't access the stylesheet either.....

CPrompt
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: there...no..there.....
Insane since: May 2001

posted 10-24-2003 18:05

yeah it's weird alright. i tested it though from here and that is what it was.

strange.......very strange.........

Later,

C:\

~Binary is best~

SPyX
Bipolar (III) Inmate

From: College Station, TX
Insane since: Aug 2002

posted 10-24-2003 19:43

I love you C:\

So the lesson here is to not use a strict doctype yet?

CPrompt
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: there...no..there.....
Insane since: May 2001

posted 10-24-2003 21:19

blushes

yeah, it really sucks too to not be able to use strict DTD. I try to work hard to make my pages very strict to the rules and Nutscrape has to go and screw it up.

Later,

C:\

~Binary is best~

CPrompt
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: there...no..there.....
Insane since: May 2001

posted 10-25-2003 17:18

you know, since it looks like from your mark up that you are using the XHTML standard stuff (all ending tags)
try to use the XHTML transitional and see if that works.

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en">

Just a thought.

Later,

C:\

~Binary is best~

DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted 10-25-2003 22:51

I use XHTML 1.0 strict (with the strict doctype) on all of my pages.

I have never had a problem even remotely resembling this.

Not using a strict doctype is a rather sill concept, IMO. They are used all over the web all the time without problem.

There has got to be more to it than just strict vs transitional....

Slime
Lunatic (VI) Mad Scientist

From: Massachusetts, USA
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted 10-25-2003 22:59

Yeah, this is probably something more subtle than that.

You might try temporarily removing the doctype altogether and seeing if it works then. If it doesn't work *without* a doctype (in quirks mode), then I wouldn't expect it to be related to the doctype at all.

Let's just squelch this now before it becomes a rumor: it's extremely unlikely that the usage of a strict document type definition is the source of this problem.

CPrompt
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: there...no..there.....
Insane since: May 2001

posted 10-26-2003 03:16

quote:
You might try temporarily removing the doctype altogether and seeing if it works then.

Actually this is how I found out that that was causing the problem. I copied the page from the source and when I did I left out the doctype by accident. It worked fine and then it took me like 15 minutes to realize I left out the doctype........

Later,

C:\

~Binary is best~

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