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Indeed

Usage:

'I'm dying/gagging for a slash'

'I just had a quick slash up that alley'

'Its (s)lashing down'

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Emps

FAQs: Emperor

I'm with emps on the slash slang.

"Gotta go take a slash fellas, be back in a sec"

wow... i have never heard that.... ahem... ya'll.

i do know alot of cowboy slang... which i refuse to go into.

I've been gone for a while, so I just gotta throw in my 2 cents. The points Rahly makes about PHP may be true; if you're talking about enterprise level development for fortune-500 companies with huge development teams, of course you'll want something a little more industrial than PHP. CPAN may have code to do 100,000 things that would take you weeks of coding to reproduce in PHP.

But what you're missing is the fact that there is a MASSIVE number of websites which need some simple functionality. PHP fills the niche between SSI and the industrial language of your choice quite brilliantly. Sure Perl can do the same thing and more at about the same speed (mod_perl) with more flexibility, but Perl is made to do EVERYTHING so all the little details of web page coding either need to be remembered by the developer or the appropriate module needs to be brought in from CPAN to handle special issues. Since PHP is specialized for web development, functions for handling web output in the most commonly needed way are part of the core language, and many potential problems are described right in the documentation.

To achieve the same efficiency for common web application development in Perl would require more configuration knowhow, more experience, and a more customized server (PHP is more common than mod_perl). If your choice of programming language is a status symbol for you, then of course Perl is cooler, but if you are interested in solving the problem at hand and moving on to the next one, PHP should not be so easily dismissed. The statement that PHP is Perl for dumbies is quite ignorant of the purposes of the languages. I use Perl for administration tasks and PHP for web applications because I get work done faster that way. I guess I can see how PHP lowers the mental bar for people who want to program, but don't make the mistake of believing that mental ability does not take you as far in PHP as it does in Perl. Woe to any web developer who isn't acutely aware of security issues.

I welcome poor programmers, because it just makes me look that much better. The more shitty code they produce, the more work there is for me to fix it.

-jiblet

The poster has demanded we remove all his contributions, less he takes legal action.
We have done so.
Now Tyberius Prime expects him to start complaining that we removed his 'free speech' since this message will replace all of his posts, past and future.
Don't follow his example - seek real life help first.

Did I imply you were a bad coder Ini? To the contrary, I do not judge anyone's ability without seeing their code and a good deal of context.

My take on the pompous programmer is that it is foolish to proclaim superiority based on choice of tools. Come on, let's just design chips to solve everything on a hardware level, that is SOOOOO much more elegant and efficient then clunky old assembly let alone higher level languages like C.

While some may build walls around them and proclaim everyone else to be idiots because of some apparent ignorance, it is a convenient hypocrisy. Everyone is ignorant of infinitely many things. It takes a lot more strength to be humble and let the merits of your work be judged by those to whom it matters rather than your own comfortable idealism.

This isn't meant to target anyone, just that the objective superiority of programming languages is a false idol. Choice of software/hardware framework for a project, while important, is probably the least important factor in cost/performance for a given software project. Even a horrible programmer can pick a good language, but will it save money in the long run?

-jiblet