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Ruski
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

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Insane since: Jul 2002

posted posted 01-17-2003 03:25

pretty interesting thanks, your words ring nicely

well....ok then, personally I still believe that its completly diffrent from what people picture....because bible was written really long ago...and the problem is people didnt had enough vocabulary to describe the vision "God" gave them....and I believe that it cant be so simple as just accept Jesus or go to hell......its really way too simple....and kinda doesnt sounds real to me


by the way bugs i want you to please answear my questions in "what do you think....." forum





[This message has been edited by Ruski (edited 01-17-2003).]

Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 01-17-2003 04:23

That one is a bit harder and I'm still researching it. Don't worry, I haven't forgotten it

Sanzen
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Raleigh, NC
Insane since: Jan 2003

posted posted 01-21-2003 01:48

I'm not here to flame anyone's believe but to pose a simple question:

How do you know that the bible and writings in it are not totally false, a fiction novel even?

"Here we go.. down that same 'ole road again.." - Dredg

Ruski
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From:
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posted posted 01-21-2003 02:24

good question!!! bugs cmon tell us!!!





[This message has been edited by Ruski (edited 01-21-2003).]

Fig
Paranoid (IV) Mad Scientist

From: Houston, TX, USA
Insane since: Apr 2000

posted posted 01-21-2003 16:21

well, as i've been unusually silent on this i'll take that one

i think WHY you believe what you believe is very personal to every person. some people, as has been referenced, simply take things at face value and believe because, well, because they do. there's not a lot of critical thinking there. for me personally, i've always believed in God. won't go into the whole creation/evolution/etc. thing as we've done it several times before, but having read and studied and looked at a variety of things that for me is the most logical conclusion. doesn't have a thing to do with the bible tho, so...

the main reason i believe in the bible is because i've found it to be true. not in necessarily every minute detail making sense, but in that the way God relates to me and works in my life is exactly how the bible says it is and will be. the whole idea of a relationship with a personal God can (and prob will) be argued, and i can't necessarily validate personal experience to anyone. then again, i don't need to, that's why its personal experience. i've experienced events and feelings and lots of other things i can't rationally explain without God and the bible being accurate. the fact that the bible is exact on everything about the way God relates to me lead me to the conclusion that the rest of its right too, unless proven otherwise. sure, i have questions and doubts on certain things, but if i didn't that would mean i wasn't investigating and challenging my beliefs, something we should all be doing regardless of what those beliefs are.

chris


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Arthemis
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Milky Way
Insane since: Nov 2001

posted posted 01-21-2003 18:03

yes, really would jesus be a christian?

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It will certainly show what our ancestors would be thinking if they were alive today. People have often speculated about this. Would they approve of modern society, they ask, would they marvel at present-day achievements? And of course this misses a fundamental point. What our ancestors would really be thinking, if they were alive today, is: 'Why is it so dark in here?'
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Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
Insane since: Mar 2000

posted posted 01-22-2003 07:35

The Bible has support on several different levels and Fig touched on a powerful one. The first word that came to my mind was archaeology. The more that gets dug up the more we find support for places, people, events mentioned in the Bible. There are plenty of good books and resources that document why there is very good reason to trust its authenticity. I am willing to discuss the problem areas with DL and others even as new things come up, but overall I'm sold.

DL-44
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: under the bed
Insane since: Feb 2000

posted posted 01-22-2003 18:04

Well, archeology has proven that various places may in fact have exited, and that certain events may have happened.

But it has also shown many things to be false, or to be mis-interpreted (For instance, issues regarding isreal and the acounts of it being the original homeland of the jews has been very disputed, and proven by 'biblical archeoligists' to be rather incorrectly attributed).

It also can't prove anything regarding the spiritual significance of events, or the involvement in such events of jesus or god.

So really, all I've seen it prove is that some things in the bible are at least loosely based on real locations or events, and so may or may not be actually accurate.



Many Roman hisotrians have been show to be vastly inaccurate in their accounts in an effort to promote or support their particular political and religous stances, and I see no reason to believe that the same thing hasn't happened with biblical accounts.



Rick
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Borneo Island
Insane since: Apr 2000

posted posted 01-25-2003 15:45

I think (correct me if I'm wrong) Jesus would not be christian (because christians are followers of Jesus Christ) if He's *alive/ walking on earth* today. He would be just Christ, the saviour, the Messiah, Lamb of God.

I agree with Shi. I love reading your post, Bug.



cell 799

Ruski
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From:
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posted posted 01-26-2003 00:15

In even that many locations mentioned in bible exist, we know that many stories and events are borowed from "Messapotanian Legends"...."Tales of Gilgamesh" and so on.....for exemple Noah lived for 900 years....is a fiction taken from Messapotanian legends about heroes that lived for that many years...to match their culture.....in this worlds bible doesnt seems to be a gospel truth...........

WHY? ok, speaking biblicly God is supposed to be perfect! but he is not....if you read genesis carefully you will see it mentions how God was sorry and admited that he made a "mistake" for creating human being.....and.....perfection doesnt make mistakes.......



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