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beaner
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From: LA, CA, USA
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posted posted 02-03-2003 22:55

Well, we all love lists and I am in need of listening to something new. So I am just curious what everyone thinks
the best albums were that were released in the last year to date.

My list
1.) Interpol - Turn on the Bright Light
2.) Sleater-Kinney - One Beat
3.) Beck - Sea Change
4.) Spoon - Kill the Moonlight
5.) Sparta



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InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 02-03-2003 23:30

Of last year? Hmm. I think the only one I bought last year was the Queen of the Damned Soundtrack. And I loved it. I'm not sure but I think that Opeth came out with Blackwater Park last year, or it could have been 2001. I'm leaning towards 2001, I'm not sure.

Emperor
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From: Cell 53, East Wing
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posted posted 02-04-2003 00:14

I must admit I am struggling - I check SoaD's Toxicity but that is listed as 2001 (how time flies) and I haven't listened to 'Steal this Album' yet so............ the only albums I can think of from the last year that don't make me want to hunt the artists down and throw them off a cliff are:

Rammstein: Mutter
Alec Empire: Intelligence & Sacrifice

That is a poor show but I always fail really badly in this list stuff kind of things and only think of the answers I would give (in an ideal world) at some later point. I might have to start working on these lists ahead of time so I'm actually prepared for these kind of questions ).

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Suho1004
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posted posted 02-04-2003 00:17

The last album I bought was in 2000--Erasure's "Loveboat." I love it. The next album I will buy will be "Other People's Songs," also by Erasure. I just don't buy (or listen to) a lot of recent albums anymore.

Emperor
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From: Cell 53, East Wing
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posted posted 02-04-2003 00:30

Suho1004: We are getting old and lets be honest all this 'modern' music is rubbish - there is no tune or proper songs

That said Erasure?????????????

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Ruski
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posted posted 02-04-2003 01:04

Dream Theater: Six degrees of Inner Turbulance

Thats some real music!

Suho1004
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From: Seoul, Korea
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posted posted 02-04-2003 01:25

Emps: Yes, Erasure. So I'm a New Wave freak, sue me. I go in for PSB, DM, Joy Division/New Order, etc. as well. I suppose you'll want to crucify me now, eh?



(But yes, most of the stuff churned out these days is rubbish, at least we can agree on that.)

beaner
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From: LA, CA, USA
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posted posted 02-04-2003 02:23

Well if you old farts like Joy Division and New Order, I would give that Interpol album a listen. They
have often been compared.

DL-44
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posted posted 02-04-2003 02:26

Nah...we knew there was something funny about you anyway suho

I agree though...good albums? In 2002?

Yikes...

Uh...

Queens of the Stoneage - songs for the deaf gets my vote all in all.
Red Hot Chili Peppers newer one had about half an album's worth of decent stuff.

mmm...I think Cake put one out, but I haven't heard it...

can't think of anything else.

{{beaner snuck one in - don't lump us together! Suho likes the joy division...not the rest of us!}}




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InSiDeR
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From: Oblivion
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posted posted 02-04-2003 03:01

God I swear if I hear that damn Queens of the Stone Age song that was nominated for a grammy one more damn time, I'm going to put a revolver to my head. It gives me a head ache *cough*.

quote:
Suho1004: We are getting old and lets be honest all this 'modern' music is rubbish - there is no tune or proper songs



quote:
Rammstein: Mutter

Hahahaa....

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Emperor
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From: Cell 53, East Wing
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posted posted 02-04-2003 03:16

InSiDeR:

quote:
Hahahaa....



Quite.

DL: Good call on the Queens of the Stone Age - some of the songs have been played to death on radio but it still probably beats anything else released last year. The Chillies were weak this past year.

Suho1004: Joy Division? Yes!! New Order? Hmmmmmm......

beaner: I have heard a few things off the Interpol album but nothing really 'stuck' in my head - I'll try harder with them on your recommendation

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reitsma
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: the bigger bedroom
Insane since: Oct 2000

posted posted 02-04-2003 03:17

now, let's see...

Queens Of The Stone Age - Songs For The Deaf
George - Polyserena
Tori Amos - Scarlet's Walk
Gomez - In Our Guns
Jurassic 5 - Power In Numbers

at a quick guess.

of those, george takes the cake in my opinion... they also won an ARIA for it too, which was pretty cool. (Aust Record Industry Assoc.)



WebShaman
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posted posted 02-04-2003 05:31

Ummm...Tatu?

*Ducks*

Suho1004
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From: Seoul, Korea
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posted posted 02-04-2003 06:12

OK, well, I've apparently branded myself as a weirdo for life, so I might as well roll with it.

Emps: I have to admit, the only group I've really kept up with is Erasure. I think I had New Order's Republic (1993) on cassette, but I usually just listen to Substance (1987). I have mostly every DM album (not to mention a crapload of singles) up until Songs of Faith and Devotion (1993). I'm a bit more up-to-date with the Pet Shop Boys; the latest album I have from them is Bilingual (1996), but my favorite would have to be Alternative (1995 B-side collection). Oh, and of course I have every Erasure album ever put out (and, again, a crapload of singles--my combined Erasure/DM collection takes up about twelve pages in my CD book). I'm not sure if their latest is out here yet, but I can guarantee you it will soon find its way into my hands.

I neglected to mention Yaz in my original post--any fan of the genre will recognize Upstairs at Eric's as a classic. Hmm... anything else to bolster my freakish image? I used to listen to Nine Inch Nails at university, mostly right after breakups and other disappointments, but that stopped when I learned how to deal with bitterness. I used to be into techno and trance as well, but I kind of grew out of that, too. And I do listen to whole bunch of other stuff, too, but none of it is really recent. I just happen to be partial to New Wave, that's all.

Interpol... I'll have to give them a listen, I guess. Never heard of them, though. Then again, I haven't heard of many of the groups/albums mentioned here. I guess I'm just behind the times...

*lays cross on ground, lies down on top of it*

Anyone got any spare nails?

WebShaman
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posted posted 02-04-2003 09:28

Before you get 'nailed'...hehe...can I have your hair?

Suho1004
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From: Seoul, Korea
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 02-04-2003 11:18

Well, that depends. Does my scalp have to go with it? 'Cause if that's the case, I would have to say I'm not too thrilled with the idea. Not only would it be painful, but then I'd have to worry about bugs and infection in my head while I'm hanging up there on my cross. That would suck.

WebShaman
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posted posted 02-04-2003 11:24

Well...of course the scalp has to come with it...anything else would be absolutely unacceptable.

Of course, I could wait until after you get 'nailed'...hehe...I just thought I'd be polite, and ask first...

[Monty Python] Oh, ey ol' Chap! My, that does look painful, wot? Say, you wouldn't mind all that much if I just took your scalp, now, would you? I mean, you certainly won't be needing it now. There, that's a good lad...[/Monty Python]

Emperor
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From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 02-04-2003 13:40

Suho1004: Don't worry there are plenty of you out there - I have afriend who is a big fan of Erasure (and the Pet Shop Boys). We clearly treat him with the scorn he deserves but at least you aren't alone

I also find the thought of crucifying the Asylum's Jesus-lookalike fairly disturbing (but intriguing too....).

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Bugimus
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From: New California
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posted posted 02-04-2003 16:07

I am too far behind the times when it comes to "new" music. I suppose that has something to do with being an "old fart". I'll have to smack beaner when I get a chance But actually beaner has been catching me up on the music scene a bit here and there which is pretty cool.

That being said, I have a varied taste in music and I have a very difficult time explaining to people what kind of music I like. So I'm not going to try to answer that here but I must add that I have never heard a song by Erasure I didn't like! I love that genre.

krets
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From: KC, KS
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posted posted 02-05-2003 01:20

Johnny Cash is da man!

Lovin his remake of Hurt.

Suho1004
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From: Seoul, Korea
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posted posted 02-05-2003 01:43

Bugs: Thank you! I am greatly encouraged.

WS/Emps: I'm not sure I like the direction this is heading...

norm
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posted posted 02-05-2003 03:53

Johnny Cash IS da man.

I've gotta hear him do a remake of Kid Rock - Cowboy

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synax
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posted posted 02-05-2003 04:55

Where's DG when you need him?

Taproot - Welcome
Soulfly - 3
Nirvana - Nirvana
Slipknot - Iowa
Chimaira - Pass Out of Existence (actually was released in late 2001)

DL-44
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From: under the bed
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posted posted 02-05-2003 14:22

Yes, Johnny Cash is great - didn't realize he put something out.

I just now heard his version of 'personal jesus'

wow - that's funny.

=)

taproot? slipknot? eck. crap! =)
people just can't seem to do hardcore anymore...sad...

I knew a nirvana single caem out...but an album? guess I ned to pay more attention.



Emperor
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From: Cell 53, East Wing
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posted posted 02-05-2003 14:31

The Johnny Cash album is America 4: The Man Comes Around and his version of Hurt is one of the great - they played the ass off Personal Jesus but Hurt is in a league of its own Now who said we didn't like country round these here parts??

Soil, Pitchshifter and Distrubed also had albums out this year but they were (as far as I'm concerned) patchy (I liked Halo but....).

[edit: Anyone listen to the Audioslave album? Soundgarden meets RatM had promise......

Now albums we are looking forward to this year is another matter:

Ministry - Animositisomina
Massiv Attack (out next week heard the whole thing on the radio last night)

and some other stuff - damn I hate lists]

[edit2: Nirvana's album was one new song 'You Know You're Right' and a greatest hits package - it clearly raked in enough money for Courtney Love to think she can act like a madwoman onboard transatlantic flights ]

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DarkGarden
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posted posted 02-05-2003 14:52

The new Taproot is stellar.
Otep
Disturbed
etc.
etc.

Now, saying they're the "best" doesn't particularly mean they were great, seeing as music just fucking eats over the past few years.

DarkGarden
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From: in media rea
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posted posted 02-05-2003 14:53

Oh...and Audioslave eats harder than most.

Tom Morello needs to remove cranium from asscrack and beg Mike Patton to come sing for him.

Emperor
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist with Finglongers

From: Cell 53, East Wing
Insane since: Jul 2001

posted posted 02-05-2003 15:29

DG: I heard Cochise and it just sounded like a poor Led Zep rip off so I never bothered with the album (although music journos were creaming themselves over it for an awful long time). Such promise.....

Mike Patton!!! Now you are talking - I heard the (for some reason better known to themsleves) INXS asked him to take Mick Hutchence (sp? - I'm quite happy I can't spell his name) place and he said he would only do it if he was allowed to come on stage naked with a belt around his neck and they turned him down

When I saw FnM live I was seriously concerned he might end up killing himself live on stage (he kept climbing 30 or 40 feet above the stage when he wasn't actually ripping up the planking) - I think that kind of guy deserves another shot at the Big Time

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DL-44
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posted posted 02-05-2003 15:36

Mike patton..that'd be cool.

just can't get into things like disturbed. they seem to be trying way to hard, and it just doesn't work(although I've certainly been hearing plenty worse things).

the more new "music" I hear, the more I go buy old albums.

haven't listened to ministry in ages - deifnately be interesting to hear what Al's got.

Where's Iggy Pop when you need him?



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DarkGarden
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posted posted 02-05-2003 15:45

Mike's work with Mr. Bungle just cements the psychosis...but he'd be incredible with Rage.

Ministry's Darkside of the Spoon was surprisingly good...but that's what...three years ago now?

As for Iggy Pop, he was grafted into Anthony Kiedis' Calivn Klein's a few years back. The transformation is still taking root.

Emperor
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From: Cell 53, East Wing
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posted posted 02-05-2003 16:13

DG: Yep Darkside of the Spoon was out in 1999. I've heard one track from the new album 'Lockbox' which has a feel of Supermanic Soul although a little darker and messier and it would probably have fitted in quite nicely on Darkside of the Spoon although it is not as good as those so I'm hoping the other songs are better.

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DL-44
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posted posted 02-05-2003 18:17

They just don't make bands line Mr. Bungle any more =)

Wangenstein
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posted posted 02-05-2003 22:30

If you can, try to catch the video to Johnny Cash's 'Hurt'. It combines him sitting in his house singing with images and footage of him from his glory days. It's certainly a hell of a lot more impressive than 99% of the videos out there today, if you can find a channel that plays them, of course...



Odd behavior; even temperament...

Gilbert Nolander
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From: Washington DC
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posted posted 02-06-2003 22:37

You guys should check out Melt Banana. Crazy stuff, Mike Patton really likes them, that's why I mention it. If you want to hear a pychotic blend of industrial madness, check them out.

Anyway,

The Strokes.
Propaghandhi's new one.
I really like the new Foo Fighters.
Dillinger Four - a great punk band.
One Line Drawing - you can download all of their songs at their site, their very relaxing.
Boards of Canada - slow, relaxing keyboard stuff. Check out their website, http://www.boardsofcanada.com an awesome site.

I'm not to good at remembering names of albums.

Cell 816~ teamEarth ~Asylum Quotes

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DarkGarden
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posted posted 02-06-2003 23:31

Good call on Onelinedrawing, Gilbert. Jonah is an old friend (aquaintance) and I've always loved his voice.

You should fidn music by his old band FAR if you want something just as beautifful, but with a harder edge.

That being said, look for The Revolution Smile as well. It's Shaun Lopez' new band. Shaun was Far's guitarist, and his voice is as good as his guitar work ever was.

DL-44
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posted posted 02-08-2003 01:20

Just gotta say, although I've always hated NIN doing hurt, and I hate trent reznor (I loved pretty hate machine when it came out..but come onenow, it's time to get *past* that teen angst and low self esteem and spurned lover crap , I just heard Johnny doing it...and damn.

It seems to actually *mean* something when he sings it...

somewhat chilling really.

That, and I forgot to mention - as one of the best albums of 2002 - Aimee Mann, Lost in Space =)



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Bugimus
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From: New California
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posted posted 02-10-2003 04:20

I just purchased Interpol and Sigur Rós today. I'm *really* liking them especially Sigur Rós

Ruski
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From:
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posted posted 02-10-2003 22:02

Does anyone here likes Dream Theater?

Wolfen
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From: Minnesota
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posted posted 02-11-2003 11:55

*Walks down the hallways on my daily patrol softly whistling to the tune of 'Dancing Queen' by ABBA.*

CPrompt
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From: there...no..there.....
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posted posted 02-11-2003 14:30

Ruski: yep, I love Dream Theater. Got a chance to see them in a little bar one time. GREAT show!

Me, I like a lot of music but I have to say, I haven't heard of half of this shit that you guys are posting here! Man, I thought I was withit.

Later,

C:\


~Binary is best~

InSiDeR
Maniac (V) Inmate

From: Oblivion
Insane since: Sep 2001

posted posted 02-12-2003 00:19

Opeth - Deliverance

Gilbert Nolander
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posted posted 02-12-2003 19:40

DG - Yea, I've also heard Far, they are pretty good also. I like all the New End Original stuff also, but I really like Division Day. Not sure if you've heard them, they are on Jade tree also.

Cell 816 ~ teamEarth ~ Asylum Quotes

Wolfen
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From: Minnesota
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posted posted 02-14-2003 08:05

Well, I do like listening to the group The Asylum Street Spankers..



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Bugimus
Maniac (V) Mad Scientist

From: New California
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posted posted 02-25-2003 03:29

Ok ok I know Erasure invokes some disruptive vibes for many but I just bought "other people's songs" and I'm liking it for the most part. Suho!!! Do you have that one yet?

Sanzen
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Raleigh, NC
Insane since: Jan 2003

posted posted 03-04-2003 15:03

Dredg - El Ceilo

^all time favorite

"Salting the back of a snail... My turkish prison is knowing that i fit in...."- Glassjaw

Suho1004
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From: Seoul, Korea
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posted posted 03-04-2003 15:21

Thank you for dredging this one back up, Sanzen--I never saw Bugs' last post there!

Bugs: No, I don't have their latest yet... I'm not sure if it is out here yet. I haven't had much time to go shopping for music lately, but as soon as I figure out when and where I can get it I definitely will.

Rinswind 2th
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From: Den Haag: The Royal Residence
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posted posted 03-04-2003 16:17

Datsuns... old fashioned punk/garage rock/rock 'n roll mixure.. then you know why the volume can go up

"Freedom of speech is by no means freedom to insult others" from the Razorart goodbye letter.

xRuleith
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From: Brighton Beach
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posted posted 03-06-2003 23:19

How about we include these guys;

Weezer - Maladroit
New Amsterdams (first album)
Dashboard Confessional (first album)
Bright Eyes (first release)


I'm going to the moon, I cant stand it here anymore.

counterfeitbacon
Paranoid (IV) Inmate

From: Vancouver, WA
Insane since: Apr 2002

posted posted 03-07-2003 05:48

Ok, here it goes:

Autechre - Draft 7.30
NIRVANA - NIRVANA
System of a Down - Steal This Album

These are the only albums I bought this/last year.

(Edit) COCHISE IS A FREAKING HORRIBLE ALBUM! DON'T BUY! YOU'VE BEEN WARNED! THEY NEED ZACH DE LA ROCHA SINGING FOR THEM, AND THERE OLD FUNK/SLAP STYLE GUITAR!!)

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Emperor
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From: Cell 53, East Wing
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posted posted 03-07-2003 14:36

Yeah I was going to throw in Steal this Album by SoaD - I've been listening to that quite a bit.

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quisja
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posted posted 03-07-2003 15:31

has no-one heard "murray street" by sonic youth. if so, i'm surprised no-one's put it down. it would probably be my favourite of last year, and inspires some faith at least in the current state of things...

beaner
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From: LA, CA, USA
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posted posted 03-07-2003 19:59

I've had Murray Street for a while but I just haven't listened to the whole thing until just a couple of weeks ago.
I was astonished how Sonic Youth has made their music more "approachable". I've always had issues with Sonic Youth.
I would like one song on an album but the rest was just hard on the ears. I would have to agree that this new
album is really good.

Moon Shadow
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From: Rouen, France
Insane since: Jan 2003

posted posted 03-07-2003 20:26

I would have said Planet Hardcore but I don't think you know it...

beaner
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posted posted 03-07-2003 21:29

<edit> sorry, repost </edit>

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quisja
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posted posted 03-07-2003 21:42

fuck all this, the new limp bizkit shit is just going to fucking blow it all away, music of 2004. every-fucking-one should fucking download "just drop dead" from www.limpbizkit.com... "This is raw, unmixed and straight from the studio. I couldn't help it. Fred" says the man himself - and with lyrics like "What the fuck is going on?
Who the fuck do you think you are? (Bitch)" who are you to disagree?

DL-44
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From: under the bed
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posted posted 03-08-2003 05:47

as...someone...said - they suck more ass than a proctologist with a hoover.

Bunch of whiny fucking bastards.




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Suho1004
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From: Seoul, Korea
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posted posted 03-08-2003 06:52

quisja: (I'm asking this because I really don't know...) So the example you gave is supposed to be good lyrics or bad lyrics? I'm a bit confused.

Bugs: Went out and bought the new Erasure album. It's quite nice. Definitely not my favorite Erasure album (it would be pretty sad if my favorite Erasure album was a cover album...), but very nice. Incidentally, this is the first album I have bought since Loveboat. Oh, there was also the Barry White album I picked up this winter, but that wasn't a new album.

quisja
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posted posted 03-08-2003 11:32

ok, to clear up any confusion, and you'd probably understand if you listened to the song, those were an example of really terrible, henious lyrics. i quite honestly felt like vomitting the first time i heard it. the whole thing deserves no less than complete failure. fred durst should just give up now.

Suho1004
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From: Seoul, Korea
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posted posted 03-08-2003 12:24

Oh, OK. That clear's things up a bit.

I guess I should say that I don't really know who Limp Bizkit are, and I've never heard any of there songs, so I wasn't sure what context to take that remark in. I figured it was probably bad, but I wasn't sure.

Incidentally, I did go read those lyrics. Yes, they do suck. Heinously.

DL-44
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From: under the bed
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posted posted 03-08-2003 16:19

heh... completely missed the sarcasm there (it was really late and all...)

=)

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