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10. if you dont have a gun, would you consider getting one? (with a permit of course) PLEASE RE-ANSWER QUESTION 10 EVERYONE PLEASE!

yes...a rifle
i have no need for a hand gun.

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WS: You said:

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yes, you have a point - it is mostly organized crime...

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And that is the tipping point really. I don't need a gun around the house to defend myself from gangs of Yardie crack dealers or the Russian mafia as they are too busy kiling each other but one might have to consider the option when burgalars or muggers are starting to carry guns. Here in the UK we were reaching that kind of tipping point in the early 90s and restricting the availability of guns has lead to an increase in price. Tight gun laws here worked thanks to the timing and the low level of guns in our society and I'm grateful for that. I am unsure if such a drastic gun control policy could work anywhere else but I agree that there does seem to be the need for stricter licensing and education where guns are freely available.

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FAQs: Emperor

Yes Emps...I'm certain that the IRA had enormous problems obtaining guns...or materials for bombs because of anti-gun laws.

Laws do not stop people that are determined.

WS: Quite - that wasn't my point though.

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Emps

FAQs: Emperor

It does have something to do with the topic, though...without armament, the IRA would have just been ignored by the British...as they were for a long, long time. Demonstrations and protest braught nothing but force and crackdown. This actually lead to the IRA becoming violent...it was only after years of violence, that a peace-process was started...

Now, would that have happened without weapons? The will was there...

Without weapons and US funding and Libyan/Syrian training support they would have had to come to the table much sooner as they would only have had diplomatic solutions (and I have had family in the IRA so don't doubt my Republican leanings!! ).

[edit: I also have family members in the NRA so don't doubt...... well you get the point.

The IRA came to the table because they were sick of years of violence which was getting them no where; they got a place at the table because Sein Fein represented the views of the majority of Catholics; the Britsh government came to the table because, for the sake of peace, they swallowed their objections to doing deals with men of violence (leaving aside the fact that members of the police/armed forces were using the Loyalist terrorists as their own hit squad).

The presence of guns didn't get them a say it prolonged the conflict and only helped worsen the cycle of violence]

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FAQs: Emperor

Re-answered #10. Yes.

Things that have been said by more than one person in this topic and another related thread are:

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...guns are used to kill...

They are designed to kill or to hurt...

...but I fail to see how the ownership of objects whose sole purpose is to kill efficiently, can bring anything but misery.

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This is not quite the case and it seems to be uttered by those who confuse guns with the misuse of guns. I would like to point out that in many cases where lawfully owned guns have been used to prevent crimes from taking place, that merely the brandishing of the gun has achieved the goal. Guns are not always used to kill and are not always needed to kill in order to prevent crimes.

I am not saying that they are not dangerous and I'm not saying that we don't have a big problem with criminals using guns to commit crimes. I am saying that it is beyond my understanding how some of you equate the existence of guns with criminal usage of guns. If you were to take away every gun from the world at this very moment you would still have murders and robberies and all the same problems... just different tools used to carry them out.

I know this quote is not an absolute truth but it is pertinent to this discussion:

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The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference -- they deserve a place of honor with all that is good.
--George Washington

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Proper usage of guns should be our goal because evil will always be with us. Taking away a very effective tool in this fight makes no sense to me.


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[This message has been edited by Bugimus (edited 05-08-2003).]

Amen Bugs! I agree with the guns part...

Glad to have ya back!

As for the IRA...well, I suppose you know the situation better than I...though it seems to me, that the British were only willing to really deal with them after all the violence...before that, protest was simply crushed.

[This message has been edited by WebShaman (edited 05-09-2003).]

1. Do you think there should be tight gun control?
No - people who get guns without permits would still find ways to get guns even with tighter controls.
2. do you think guns are generally dangerous to the public?
People are still the prime danger to themselves. If people aren't shooting each other, well, there are other things that kill.
3. has some you have known ever been killed/injured from a gun?
Not directly. My husband has lost most of his childhood chums to gunfire in their adolescence...
4. if so, did it change the way you think about guns in terms of their safety?
Well, knowing who he used to hang out with, no. But I've never thought that having guns convenient was very safe anyway.
5. have you ever used a gun in self defense?
Nope. Never touched one.
6. have you ever used a gun for reasons other that self defense?
Nope, see #5
7. what do you think would happen to crime rates in your area if guns were allowed for everyone over 21 (and requires a permit to carry)
I'm not sure it would make much difference in the crime rates around here. Except that you might find more criminals packing heat... Our biggest problem is forced entry and sexual assault of coeds... I imagine guns would only make that scarier for the young ladies involved...
8. do you think guns in movies and video games influence our children to commit acts of violence?
Not if parents are doing their jobs right.
9. do verses in the Bible like Genesis 27:3 and Genesis 48:22 concerning weapons change your about guns?
No. Never heard them before.
10. if you dont have a gun, would you consider getting one? (with a permit of course)
I'm not keen on having one around the house. Accidents happen, and I'm not one to encourage that, so, no, I don't think so.

Bodhi - Cell 617

1. Do you think there should be tight gun control? no, waste of time - there are already guns laws. people who want guns will get them regardless of any laws.

2. do you think guns are generally dangerous to the public? no. angry, homicidal people are generally dangerous to the public.

3. has some you have known ever been killed/injured from a gun? not directly, a young man who was a student at the school my daughter was attending, accidentally shot himself in the foot with a gun he thought was empty..

4. if so, did it change the way you think about guns in terms of their safety? nope. the rule i learned about guns was to always treat a gun as if it is loaded.

5. have you ever used a gun in self defense?
no.

6. have you ever used a gun for reasons other that self defense? target practice

7. what do you think would happen to crime rates in your area if guns were allowed fgor everyone over 21 (and requires a permit to carry) nothing. rifles are common here - lots of hunters. handguns require a permit, but none have been given out in anyone's memory

8. do you think guns in movies and video games influence our children to commit acts of violence? no.

9. do verses in the Bible like Genesis 27:3 and Genesis 48:22 concerning weapons change your about guns? haven't read the bible in centuries, but not likely.

10. if you dont have a gun, would you consider getting one? yeah, one of those submachine water guns.. [edit] that way, when the kids fill their water balloons, i could retaliate without having to give chase

[This message has been edited by velvetrose (edited 05-10-2003).]

1. Do you think there should be tight gun control?
Yes

2. do you think guns are generally dangerous to the public?
Yes

3. has some you have known ever been killed/injured from a gun?
Yes

4. if so, did it change the way you think about guns in terms of their safety?
No

5. have you ever used a gun in self defense?
No

6. have you ever used a gun for reasons other that self defense?
No

7. what do you think would happen to crime rates in your area if guns were allowed for everyone over 21 (and requires a permit to carry)
No one would be left alive to commit crimes

8. do you think guns in movies and video games influence our children to commit acts of violence?
No

9. do verses in the Bible like Genesis 27:3 and Genesis 48:22 concerning weapons change your about guns?
No

10. if you dont have a gun, would you consider getting one? (with a permit of course) PLEASE RE-ANSWER QUESTION 10 EVERYONE PLEASE!
No

Well, that was fun.