Topic awaiting preservation: which can first? Quark. . .

As I begin my jourey thru QuarXpress, I am amazed at how similar the options are vs. Illustrator and Photoshop. Many of the items on the Quark tools palette are the same. This brings me to my question:

which was the first windows based graphics program? Do all programs stem from Quark?

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My guess is that they all originate from the Mac and then were ported to the PC.

Which made the transfer first?
Dunno, but my $$ is on PS.

The first PS manual for PC I ever looked through still had Mac screendumps in it. A bit funny...

Hmm, I'm not 100% sure, but Quark has been around a *long* time, when I used to work in the print business, our two main tools were Quark Xpress and Adobe Illustrator, couldn't have done our work without both of them. Photoshop at this stage was still just a half-developed app, and not yet part of our daily repertoire. I still remember our first big job we did using my little version of Photoshop 2.0, we had this *big* monitor (a radius 'rotating' monitor) for page layout, but it was only 16 colors! Funny how we did the work with that old application when we could barely se what we were doing!

So! I'd say the debate would center on Quark and Illustrator, who ripped whom? Hmm, Quark launched QuarkXpress in 1987, and it never really changed too much in look, (I don't know about v.5.0, I haven't seen that yet.) Hmm, this is complicated, it appears that 1987 is also the year that Adobe Illustrator debuted, too!

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I believe there's a young Adobe program copying Quark's functionality, though I forget the name of it... Illustrater and Quark aren't really 100% comparable. They're similar, but really complement each other more than compete.

No they went together like Cookies and Milk, I think they perhaps got along better, way back when. While they both do quite different things, the interfaces *are* very similar, although I can vouch for plenty of annoying differences, it might have been easier for me if they had been radically different.

Your pal, -doc-

I should have version 5 of Quark on Monday so I'll let you know the answer to that. I love Quark but I never thought of it as a graphics program although I suppose it has some limited capabilities in that way but mostly it is the mac daddy of layout programs. Everyday, I figure out a new trick that just amazes me.

Personally I think the comparison should be between Quark and PageMaker, Illustrator and Photoshop are completely different types of programs. I believe Pagemaker was first (Aldus 1984?) As far as the tools go, I believe everyone worked concurrently with Apple to develope interface standards.

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Adobe InDesign is the "Quark killer" as I've been hearing...Very simple to use for layouts, and it uses all familiar Adobe tools. I'm working with 1.5 right now, but I think 2.0 is floating around out there now.

As for Quark and InDesign, see my reply in the 'pc and mac' thread in this area.

I now have Quark 5 and it is so amazingly cool that it really makes .v4 look kinda silly. They wen't to great lengths to take all the stupid crap that they put in v.4 and refined it so that it actually works great. I can't even start on all the new little things that are great but I'll tell you this, this version just put Quark WAY ahead of anything else out there in terms of layout. I'm having so much fun just playing with it! All the little things that annoyed me before in v.4 were apparently things that annoyed a lot of people because they are gone. It's still mucho bucks but it is so worth it.

I give this program a soild 10 so far, based on the previous version and the other layout programs I use everyday.