Topic: PANORAMIC 360º NYC

Hi everyone....recently I made a composition with several pics I took in times square, It took me a lot of hours and work with photoshop, layers and all that stuff.....and Here it is...


not here....

not here neither.....

just here...


tell me what do you think about it..........
salut



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[This message has been edited by bramer (edited 11-28-2003).]

I must say...this is one of my all time favorite photos and pieces of work ! I so want this on my wall ! If you put a print up please let me know

I really love the tones and selective color you did. Amazing photo and photoshop work!

Likewise. I would love to have a print of that on my wall.

Seriously, if you were to do a nice print of that, framed, it would sell like hotcakes (or whatever happens to be selling well at the moment).


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btw...PLEASE post this to DA so I can fav it If you ever need a place to sell prints or help getting something print ready just let me know.

I never use this word, but ... sweet!

Did you use PS CS's new stitching feature to do that? I'm about to give that a shot with some photos I took in Dealey Plaza.

Brilliant bramer, the only seams I could see were on the Levis
It must have been a labour of love...

Definately nice work.... Definately a cool picture....

And with a little work, definately sellable.

My only concern is that the angle of the picture used for the last shot on either end is off. Follow the post of the crossing light. Its almost 90 degrees on one side, and about 15 degrees on the other.

Otherwise very nice.

One question, not just for bramer, but for anyone else who has ever done this sort of thing: how exactly are these shots taken? I mean, buildings may not move, but people and cars do, so how do you take a number of shots and yet still have it look like they were all taken at the same time. Even if you spun around on a tripod clicking away, the cars in particular would have moved some, no? I've been trying to imagine how this is done, but I just can't figure it out.


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Look closer Suho The same people and cars appear more than once in the picture

I see the guy with the messinger bag 3 times. Cool pan though. Looks like they are filming a commercial in the center accross from Loews theator. Great idea.

Frank

Well I'll be... they do appear more than once. I still have a question, though, and it's somewhat related. Since the buildings aren't moving, it would be easy to match up the seams, but you can't really do anything about a car or a person on a seam, can you? Maybe a whole bunch of pictures were taken for each position, and then shots without people/cars on the seams were chosen? It still seems like it would be difficult, though.

I'm just amazed by this picture, that's all...


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It is pretty cool, but one thing in particular bothers me - the contradictory tilts on many of the buildings.

Some lean one way, some lean a bit further that way, some lean the other way, and a couple don't seem to lean at all.

Suho - if you have people or cars at a critical point, you can always cut out a larger whole person or car to plop on top and cover them up.

well....first of all...THANKS A LOT...I'm so glad you all guys like it...
the process to make this pano, it's so simple, but pretty hard-working...I took over 4 o 5 pictures in each 20º approximately...I started to make the pano in PS with about 40 pictures...I was choosing the bests pictures from every angles, and I divided the whole pano in 4 sections, and started to blend each section for separate, taking care of tilts, angles, colours, people, cars...in the first section > at the left until Terminator 3 banner, I blended the three bag guys with the cars in other layers, in the best configuration of situation with all elements..

finally I blended the 4 sections, and that's all...the final pano size is 78x8 inches.....I dunno how the hell I'm gonna print it out...
Shii> You can find this deviation here...
thanks a lot for your support....Would be cool to sell panos like that..anyway contact with me and I'll give you the complete work (78x8 i, remember? )
DL-44 > You're right mate...there's some bugs I have to fix in there, example here but believe in me, It's a pain to blend all pictures like that...When I have time, I suppose I'm gonna fix 'em all..
thank you so much guys, If somebody would like to have the panoramic in a print size, only contact with me.....


see you all


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[This message has been edited by bramer (edited 11-30-2003).]

It finally occurred to me that you might have taken a number of pictures for each angle, so I think I understand that. Didn't think of cutting out bigger people or cars to cover up problem spots (although I imagine you'd have to be very careful with perspective/distance on that).

Can I ask another stupid question? Sorry I'm asking so many questions here, but I'm just really curious. OK, I looked at the pic again and I noticed what DL was talking about with the tilting and leaning. My question is this: why do the buildings lean in different directions? Is it because you had to distort some of the pictures to make them fit? Is it an artifact of the process?


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Suho, I'm guessing the problem with that is not using a tripod and doing the [i]panning[\i] hand held. So the camera will tilt due to however you are standing or leaning.

I honestly think with this photo... the pros are so strong that at a glance the little things go unnoticed. I can't wait to put this print on my wall !

Ah... yes, that would make sense. Should have thought of that myself.


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The buildings lean as it's a half circle (or more) view mapped to a flat surface.

That's really nice there bramer. well done.

Jason

Even with a tripod, the perspective changes drastically - which is why you need to shoot many photos so it appears as if you're using a "rounded" lense I guess.

Yes, but that doesn't explain the leans in different directions. At least I don't think it does...


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Suho: http://andredion.com/junk/360_room.jpg

I did a little experiment in my own room with a tripod in the center. If I had taken more pictures at smaller intervals (fewer degrees of rotation) then the seams would match up better - but you can clearly see how messed up it gets.

I don' t know if that's what you meant by leans and such.

That's when a rail comes in handy. They work great for pan shots !

Watching a little Crocodile Dundee?

synax: OK, I think that clears thinks up. I never really thought about how perspective would mess things up. I had always just thought that, since everything was standing straight up, it would look straight in the pictures. I can be such a silly person sometimes.

So, would I be correct in assuming that the only way to do a 360 shot with a conventional lens (and have it come out looking right) would be to shoot at very small intervals? Bramer's pic looked so neat I thought that I'd try it myself, but apparently it's a lot harder to pull off that I first imagined. And that makes the shot that much cooler.

Sorry for being so thick-headed on this. I am quite an amateur at photography, and some of these things never occurred to me.


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Maybe the buildings DO lean! It's NYC - they do pretty much whatever the heck they want there!


Anyway - if you point a conventional camera up (which bramer had to do but which synax didn't), there will be a convergance. vertical lines which should be parallel will get closer together at the top as they head off to the vanishing point. Leveling the camera on a tripod isn't an option, because he wanted the buildings, not the sidewalk. A perspective control lens would have helped, but how many people have one of those? Applying some skew or perspective distiorion in Photoshop might have helped, but might have made a mess of things too. So the only real solution in this case was to invest hours of time and buckets of sweat and patch it together as best as possible. Impressive result - not only technically but aesthetically.

There are some obscure cameras meant for doing this sort of seamless panorama thing (none digital that I know of) that actually rotate on the tripod head: the camera turns, the film advances past a slit, and the image is essentially "wiped" onto the film. This is VERY different from a fixed position "panorama" camera that just exposes a wider than normal aspect ratio. It's cool to see a print from one of these esoteric cameras because to get the perspective "right" you would have to wrap the print around your head in a circle! Opening it up flat is sometimes quite a surprise. But barring one of those babies or a shifting perspective control lens, about all you can do is take a lot of frames with significant overlap and then just settle in to a long Photoshop session!



[This message has been edited by Steve (edited 12-03-2003).]

Shi: Rail? Care to elaborate, or provide me with a link, since I'm too lazy to search for it?

Wes: Yeah, TBS was playing a Crocodile Dundee marathon. I think it was on Crocodile Dundee 2 when I shot those photos.

Suho: Read up on 2-point and 3-point perspective Perspective is really a great thing to have among your everyday knowledge

Steve: I was waiting for you to pop in here! Your insight is always appreciated

Wow.

WOW.

After looking at DL's example... I'll try this myself... probably fail miserbly but thats all part of play.fiddle.learn I guess.

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I was wondering about the rail myself, I've heard the term used in conjunction with macro photography but this isn't that the only thing I could think of that rail might be is the little train like rails that they run along the sidelines of Champion's League soccer matches and they have cameras that zip back and forth with the action? cookie?

Jason

Sorry it took me so long to read these. I lost my baby sister this past week.

This isn't the best link out there but one I found quickly to show you what I mean.
camera rail

That's terrible, awful thing to endure. My sympathies and prayers are going out to you and your family.

Jason

awh...that's sad...much sympathy to you and yours Shiii

Hi this is my frist post here.

I picked up my first digital camera today(Canon A80) and thought I would try a panoramic picture myself.




i know its nothing compaired to NYC but its my first try.

Thanks


EDIT: ok i have no clue how to post a picture


[This message has been edited by CiviC (edited 12-26-2003).]

Civic, it looks like you posted correctly, but the host you're using doesn't allow linking directly to images from outside its own domain. If you place the image on an HTML page, then link to that page, we should be able to view it.

:: cough cough:: www.portland.co.uk :: cough cough::

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"All life begins with Nu and ends with Nu. This is the truth! This is my beleif! ...at least for now." - Chrono Trigger
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ok here try this link.
http://www.imagestation.com/mypictures/inbox/view.html?url=http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid95/pd1cf414c645e1a84c2c4b9fc2d9c5e7e/fa2b5ac5.jpg.orig.jpg&caption=art33&id=4197 145285

well....thank you so much for all your feedbacks on this work....I'm so glad you like it...I uploaded a print version of it.. I fixed some bugs and tilts in the perspectives... if anybody is interested on print it, you can download just << here >>

thank you and I hope you all have a great New Year

see you!

Hey Civic...your pano looks great! nice work dude!


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[This message has been edited by bramer (edited 12-30-2003).]