Preserved Topic: FireBird = FireFox

Well......along with a new release they changed the name. It's now FireFox.

Later,

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~Binary is best~

sounds like a cheesy 80's Clint Eastwood movie...

Alas, from I've tested, the JavaScript performance have not been improved.

[edit] BTW, they also released ThunderBird 0.5 [/edit]



[This message has been edited by poi (edited 02-09-2004).]

I haven't installed it yet...how's it do with the css box model?

I've had problems downloading from the site. I managed to get one complete download, but after setup it reported an error and would not run, I'll have to try again later. Thanks for the news C:\

:::tao:::

I know it would totally rub certain individuals the wrong way but I personally think it'd be cool if they'd include support for connecting email to an exchange server... *ducks head waiting for other Asylumites to throw stuff*

Boudga:

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how's it do with the css box model?

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The CSS box model is correct in the Gecko browsers. And FireFox 0.8 sticks to that rule.

Boudga: In thunderbird? There might be patches/plugins/extensions that could do that. Why are you ducking? Is that some MS server?

Taobaybee: I can't even load the firefox page, it keeps timing out, so you're lucky :P

Yeah, usually the Linux and OpenSource people get testy when MS is mentioned...

since it was posted on slashdot the server is probably getting bombarded with hits.
give it a few hours and try it.

Later,

C:\


~Binary is best~

If you're eagger to install FireFox 0.8, I've ( temporary ) mirrored the Windows Installer ( 6.2Mb )

got it...thanks Poi!

Downloaded from Poi's mirror.
Thanks.

Since this is the hottest browser in a long time, and they just released the new veriosn today, I think it's fair to assume that there will be a greta deal of traffic. . .

Won't be surprised if the mirror gets bogged down too.

i am already using it. great as expected

Anybody know where Firebird keeps the info for your Bookmarks Toolbar?

It sure would be nice to grab that file so I don't have to set up my folders and buttons again.

:::11oh1:::

poi -
Thanks for the mirror!

krets -
Guess what I'm doing right now... just lost the toolbar shortcuts while upgrading too quickly

I believe they're somewhere under C:\Documents and Settings\krets\Application Data\Phoenix\---
In a file called bookmarks.html, if I remember correctly. Using the bookmarks manager you should be able to import it...

kuckus

Hmmmm, I didn't use the bookmarks manager, I just copy/pasted bookmarks.html. Maybe I should use the manager. heh

:::11oh1:::

Possibly

They changed the name again!

How do they expect hype to be generated about it if they keep changing the name?

*reads faq*

Gah, me thinks the marketing people over there need to be shot... maybe the fox won't fux up my computer as much as the bird did. I wonder if ThunderBird will be renamed to ThunderFox? Although, at least the design of the Mozilla website is looking much more "mainstream consumer" orientated than it did since AOL & MS hammered the last few nails into Netscape's coffin.

Ooh.. have a proper installer now. Yay!

-- pio, I've always found the speed of Phoenix/FB/FF to be roughly equal with if not better than IE for most general DHTML animation, which is usually the most performance critical aspects aside major DOM Tree manipulation; what speed issues are you encountering?



[This message has been edited by Cameron (edited 02-09-2004).]

I also didn't like the changing of the name. What FireFox has better than FireBird? I can't see anything. BTW, they changed the name but forgot to change the about:mozilla message.

As for performance issues, the worst one I had was with tree manipulation, as you said. FB is ten or more times slower than IE when rendering big XML pages. And besides being slow in this task, it also freezes, making it look like the app has crashed. Sporadically, I found one or another page, in the Internet, where Firebird is slow to render, and when this happens I switch to IE. I haven't figured out a reason for it - I haven't tried also.

*: The mirror is mainly intended for the inmates of the Asylum. That server is fast and Mozilla's ones were struggling.. I'll remove the file in few days.

Yep, the import of the bookmarks, themes, extensions is automatic. The only thing that have not been imported is my list of search engines in the Search bar.

Cameron: Renaming ThunderBird in ThunderFox, would bring a higher brand consistency.

My test consist in moving and resizing 48 images ( between 256x8 and 256x384 ) the whole thing being clipped by the overflow:none CSS rule of their parentNode. That test runs @ ~100fps in IE5.0+, ~33fps in MZ1.4+, and ~8fps in FB0.7+

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viol: the Press Release explains the reasons of the change of name :

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The new release also marks a name change for the new browser, which was previously known as Mozilla Firebird. ?We are pleased to release a new preview version of Mozilla Firefox,? commented Mitchell Baker, President of the Mozilla Foundation. ?To avoid overlap with another open source project, we have decided to change the name of this product from Mozilla Firebird to Mozilla Firefox.?

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[This message has been edited by poi (edited 02-09-2004).]

thanks POI

sib

thanks for that poi...

i like the new bookmarks manager a lot better. the one for FB got on my nerves. Had to scroll through all those to find the one you're looking for.....oi..

Later,

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~Binary is best~

I just noticed the ftp.mozilla.org mirrors page. /!\ not all the mirrors are actually up to date, but check 3-4 ones and you'll find FireFox. Nonetheless, with the rush on Mozilla's official mirrors, it's still worth to pick it on my mirror if you have a broadband connection ( ~60Kb/s )

Oh, and the new Download Manager is great too

I cann't believe the speed .. or maybe it's just my tired eyeballs here. I stopped using FB because it took so long to start up. I can get used to this one easily -click on the icon and it is up and running. Nice nice

FWIW, I tried download off of your mirror poi and I was getting a whopping 0.5 kbps (56k modem here). The main download page on the mozilla site worked just fine though.

Thanks for the mirror.


Will plugins have to be reinstalled?

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Bleah...

[edit] Stupid self! I meant CAMERON: not sib:. Sorry sib. [/edit] I tried to download it from my mirror again ( after clearing all my caches ), and got it between 50 and 85 Kb/s. I've got a 128Kb/s, and the host is ( one of ) the most reliable French ISP in term of bandwidth and cost.

UnknownComic: Nope, you won't have to re-install your plugins. But Dunstan Orchard noticed that if during the installing/lauching of FireFox, you get a Error launching browser window:no XBL binding for browser error message, you must run FireBird and disable the appropriate plugin ... and enable it again once you've installed/launched FireFox.




[This message has been edited by poi (edited 02-10-2004).]

Sorry if my post was misleading, poi. I had no problems at all getting FB from your mirror. What I ment was that the browser itself is very fast.

sib

eerily preminiscient...,

I in fact did get the;

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Error launching browser window: no XBL binding for browser

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When I disabled the Tabbrowser Extension it disappeared... Does this mean the extension doesnt work with Firefox or is it specific to platforms? Anyone else been able to initiate Firefox with Tabbrowser Extensions enabled?

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Bleah...

Thanks poi
I've just downloaded from your site successfully and got the same error message as before. I was just going to post here again for help but I see that you have already answered my, as yet, unspoken question. The error message is;

So I started up ol Firebird, disabled "tabbrowser extensions" closed FB. Then I Fired up FireFox and it works, Yeh!! Still when I try to enable "Tabbrowser Extensions" FF will not work, it displays the same error message. But I can live with that. It may just be compatibility with that particular extension and FF. Now to take it for a testdrive.
[ed]spolling[/ed]
::tao::

[This message has been edited by Taobaybee (edited 02-10-2004).]

mein got in himmel or something, what the heck kinda skin is that Tao?!

Seems much faster now, time to make the full switch.

Heh I downloaded it ages ago JK. It's called "Warcraft" (WAR301C) and I use "StyleXP" to apply it
It has an old wood look to it.
::tao::

For the Extension error. If you are using firebird and then go to install firefox you will have problems if you did not disable all of your extensions in firebird before you did the install.

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First, if you are running an old version of Firebird or Phoenix, visit the Extensions panel in Tools, Options and disable all of your extensions. If you cannot disable extensions, you must create a new profile before upgrading to Firefox 0.8. If you do not do this, your browser may not work, and you may receive messages like "Cannot create XBL Binding for Browser" or "Cannot create Browser Instance". You must now look for newer versions of your extensions that are described explicitly as being compatible with Firefox 0.8.
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/releases/#install

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Good luck,

-Dan-

Poi, links working for me now (don't know what the issue was before) but I'd already downloaded it from Mozilla without any hassels. Just thought I'd let you know.

Hrmph. Mac version feels an awful lot like Safari to me. Tabbed browsing, bookmark managing.... strong similarities.

Not a bad thing - a compliment actually - I like Safari LOT. FireFox Mac looks nice, runs nice - haven't yet found anything FF does better than Safari but maybe. Loads slower than Safari.

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It has an old wood look to it.

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I think you mean "it has a warcraft 3 look to it". ;D

I would make the switch from Friberid to Firefox once I figure out why my startup page looks horribly misplaced. It took me a while to make it look the same over Moz/Opera/IE/FB and now FF makes it not only look liek crap, but unusable

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It took me a while to make it look the same over Moz/Opera/IE/FB and now FF makes it not only look liek crap, but unusable

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would be nice if all browsers rendered pages the same wouldn't it? them silly standards

Later,

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~Binary is best~

mozilla/firefox branding links

You know, this firefox, red panda creature is very sympathetic.
I'm already starting to like it more than firebird.
I always liked mammals better than birds.
After all, we are related...

something really strange happend to my FireFox last night. Lost the scroll bar....

i restarted FF and even rebooted and still no Scrollbar.... not sure what is up with that.

Later,

C:\


~Binary is best~

If you're not using the default theme is rather normal. Give the theme author some time to fix them with the new release. Until then, turn back to the default theme or pick one that is certified to work with FireFox 0.8

Incompatible Themes: Why buttons and scrollbars are missing

Heh I've been having such a good time with [IMG] That I forgot to report back.
I'm as impressed with it now as I was before, I like it. It's rapidly becoming silly for me not to have it as my default browser, by the amount of time I find myself using it.
Early days yet though.
Alevice, I've never played the game so didn't make that visual connection. But I knew it must have related to the it in some way It's a game I've often thought of trying out, along with Diablo2.
Anyhow, I meander...This is a screenshot of how "foxy" looks on my Warcraft skin. If anyone want to see a better quality (and larger) pic clicky on it. 'Tis 302kb.



::tao::

poi: thanks. I didn't even think about that. I was using a FB theme. That seems to have been the problem.
thanks.

Later,

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~Binary is best~

Tao -> To be even more precise, it is an Orc style.

Anyway, I have not been able to fix my damn start page to work right on FF, this is pissing me off. i guess its time to make a thread in the css forum to see if anyone can help me out :P

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Sexy Demoness cel

Spot On!
Thanks Alevice, It was so long ago that I downloaded the skin that I have no idea where it came from. That link looks perfect on my system skinned.
I'm going slightly off subject, (nothing new there then). But I just had to say how weird it felt posting my desktop online. I think it's the first time I have done it, heh, A bit like I was letting everyone into my living room.
Or mayhaps 'twas the new batch of Black Pills nursie dropped off last night

I usually post my desktop whenever there is a Post your Desktop thread in any of the forums I visit.

Which makes me think there should be one at the Asylum, i think it will be fun

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You show me yours and I'll show you mm,,,.Dohh, I did that already
Here's a thought, and this is definitely on track.
Does anyone use the email client that integrates with FB or FF? If so what's it like? Or do y'all feel 'tis best to syick with Outlook Express?

Thunderbird (being the email client), which I think should be renamed to ThunderFox, as mentioned above, doesn't actually "intergrate" with firebird per say. The mozilla group realised that many people didn't want intergrated web browsers and email clients, they were different applications and should be kept as such. Which has spawned the seprate product lines we now have today.

Anyways, thunderbird is an execelent email client. Much, much better than outlook IMHO. I've been using it for some time now, even before I switch to using FF as my default browser. It's organised well, handles multiple email accounts extreamly well for both IMAP and POP3 accounts (I have a couple of both), includes regular expression filtering / sorting of inccoming mail into folders and well, just about everything I've ever wanted in an email client. The auto spam management is quite nice as well. If you mark an incomming email as trash, it'll try and catch all subquent messages that are similar and treat them the same way. And of course, the contacts managment is quick simple and straightforward.

Although, it would be nice if I could find the damn extensions site for it (if there is one), as I'd love to intergrate all of my XML feeds into my email client instead of my IM client, which seems to slow my computer down a lot when I add more than 5 feeds.

<off topic> That asside, Miranda ( www.miranda-im.org ) is an execelent IM client, I'd highly recomend you look into it. It does take a bit of work to get it setup properly but I realy like this one because tt doesn't need to be installed thus I can put it on my USB disk and have it, along with all of my contacts, at university or wherever I end up. </off topic>

While I personally still dig the power of MS Outlook proper, I agree that Thunderbird really kicks booty. I set up relatives that need technical help, with Thunderbird, initially to keep them away from the inherent vulnerabilities in Outlook Express, but have found it to be a great free email client for all the reasons that Cameron mentions.
http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/extensions.html if you can catch it up annd going

Hmm, Mozilla Phoenix becomes Mozilla Firebird becomes Mozilla Firefox - Mozilla really needs to secure an original name to avoid being forced to change it again. Mozilla states the name changes are due to undisclosed legal reasons, uh huh.


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