Preserved Topic: My first eyeball. What do U think?

This is the first eyeball that I've ever made, and I'm quite satisfied actually

Hope yah like it, and please give me feedback!



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[This message has been edited by Zlathar (edited 01-03-2003).]

It looked really tasteful.... I'm hungry...

Nice work... Zlathar.... nice eye..... yeah.... nice

One, two, three - In the place to be

[This message has been edited by NoLimit (edited 01-03-2003).]

The iris is quite nice.

The overall is less impressive though - the iris and the rest of the eye appear to be two seperate entities slapped on top of each other.

It's important to remember that the iris is not an object that sits on top of the eyeball, it is a part of it. It's also very important to remember that the cornea covers the entire the thing, and as such, the reflections and highlights don't stop at the edge of the iris.

It's a pitfall that most people doing their first eyeball images fall into, and it is a serious detraction. Another is the seeming 'shadow' around the iris.

So, it's a great start, and the iris itself is quite nice, but for any sense of realism you need to get the two parts of the image looking like a single object, and get the ball looking a bit more...ball-like.

And remember, the eye is *always* wet...

Other than the thing DL mentioned , the iris is a bit too large in relation the the ball. Remember that most of the eye is hidden by the socket and lids.

Nice start. Keep it up.

The whites of the eyes aren't completely white. DL's right. Take his advice, give it another shot, and post the result. Good start.
http://www.opticulture.org <--- My shot at making an eyeball. With help from Goblin and the Asylum.

:FAQ:

might help if you haven't already read it

Later,

C:\


~Binary is best~

If you're going for realism, I suggest you make veins around the eyeball as well. In any case, even if you follow Ben Stiens add and use eye cleaner, you're always gonna have some fleshy red. Heh.

Kine: Zlathar have seen your page before, he showed me...
I think that's were he get inspired to make an eyeball...

Really nice site!!!!

One, two, three - In the place to be

Thanks for all the tips! I'll try to make it better!
Kine: I've seen you're pic, and I *love* it! I even use it as a wallpaper



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[This message has been edited by Zlathar (edited 01-04-2003).]

Here's what I got... I've changed the color a bit, added a little blood ( ) and got rid of the black line around the iris...
Is it any better now?



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Definite inprovement =)

My next suggestion would be to work on a background other than plain white - it will also help add some depth and relaism. I'd either make it a transparent if, or throw some sort of muted color behind it, perhaps a hint of an actual scene the eye is sitting in?

I'm also a little distracted by the highlight on the bottom right of the iris. Logicaly, because the cornea is reaised there, you tend to see a faint highlight on the opposite side of the main highlight - so since your main highlight is on the top-right, the secondary would generaly end up on the bottom-left, from the light making it *through* the cornea. It should also be less sharply defined - I would blur it a bit, and perahps set it,s blending more to color dodge at a low opacity to more of an ambient light than a clear highlight.

Thank's for the help DL!! I tried to fix the highlight on the iris, and I made the background transparent...



Any better?

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[This message has been edited by Zlathar (edited 01-04-2003).]

*YEACH!* IMO, it looked really bad with the transparent background, so I tried with a gray one... It's better than the transparent one, and it isn't white... so here goes:




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Memories

The main reason it deosn't look so good transparent is that the dark background here nullifies the small amount of shading you have on the eye.

If you add more depth to the eyeball, it will help a greta deal.

On the grey background, the sharp tight dropdhadow makes it look like a disc instead of a ball.

=)

Here's an old one, and needs some serious improvements I know, but it does give a good indication of the roundness and the depth of the eyeball -

What about this one then?




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Just a note Zlathar, Use the color #2b0404 as your matte.

I just had to give another go at this, ever since DG's tut on eyes.

Maybe someday we can all add eyelashes to them what do you think?

looks pretty nice
It doesn't really look like the eye is "resting" though...
I read something about it here: http://div.dyndns.org/EK/tutorial/eye/
Apart from that, grreat

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I tried to make some skin to my eye to, but... It didn't go to well


After I tried to make my own one, your eye just kept getting better and better InSiDeR!
Good work!

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Looks like you used some textured brushes in there... and some really soft ones.
Are you using the airbrush... or the paintbrush?

It might be in your best interest to start using slightly harder brushes.
5 minutes on top of yours..




FAQs n' Bits: Michael

okey! will do! I'll try that and post what I come up with!
Just one little question... How did you do that?
It looks really nice! I use soft brushes because it's alot easier, at least I think so...

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[This message has been edited by Zlathar (edited 01-05-2003).]

Not bad work guys.

Some thing that all of the above seem to be missing -

1) the Caruncula and th e Semilunar Fold (you , the pink stuff in the corner...)

2) the corner of the eye that actually accomodates the caruncula - the inside corner of the eye has a far different shape than the outside...

3) Because of what Docilebob mentioned above - the eyeball being too small for the iris - the eyes seem to be forced wide open, because the eyelids were made to fit the too-small eyeball.


And Zlather - on tbe brushes front - well, soft brushes are easier when you're starting out, because you can get stuff put into place quicker. But in the long run they are not easier at all, becuase the more you learn and the mor eyou practice, the more detail you'll begin putting in, and the soft brushes don't work so well.

The other thing I would caution is to make sure you don't rely on dodge/burn to get what you want. It's no subsititute for actually painting, and it will only detract from your picture.

And finally - don't take any of these comments as negative - if I didn't see some sort of promise in your work, I would never take this much time to type all of this =)



[This message has been edited by DL-44 (edited 01-05-2003).]

Well I did some shaping up, on like, everything. Heh.

Your eye is coming along nice Zlather. I can't wait to see the final result.

Once again, the shape of the eye is all off, unless you're staring into the mirror with your fingers holding your eye as wide open as possible...

Which is why it's important, if you're going the route of making the actual eyeball, to make the ball large enough to properly accomodate a human face.

Did a quick example here -





[This message has been edited by DL-44 (edited 01-06-2003).]

I dunno what it is about eyes...but I gotta get in on this now





[This message has been edited by synax (edited 01-06-2003).]

"Yo DL! I did it! I did it!"

heh

Sorry, looks like you got a little mouse under your eye there, couldn't help mahself.

I knew you'd join the scene sometime synax.

Wow?some really good eyes here! (synax: excellent!)

I did this eye in Photoshop a while back when this discussion came up previously. Painted from imagination. I just used the Wacom tablet and drew it in, I'm too undisciplined to try the fancy Photoshop movies, I guess!



[This message has been edited by bearsclover (edited 01-06-2003).]

Beautiful work Synax =)

Krets - I'm sure I'm probably just a bit...slow...but, I don't get it... =(

btw, I started working mine into a ful-blown self portrait - (WIP obviously!)



{{edit - bearsclover, you slipped that in while I was typing. Lovely - I remember that one well, and the great work on your site too. glad you came by}}




[This message has been edited by DL-44 (edited 01-06-2003).]

I remember that eye I just didn't remember that you're the lady from Portrait-Artist.org! Wonderful work there, guy. I reference that site all the time.

DL: MORE!

[Edit: fixed gender bender ]



[This message has been edited by synax (edited 01-06-2003).]

Bless your hearts! Wonderful work I see here. I have neglected this forum. (And I need to update my site, desperately! I have filled several sketchbooks and need to scan them and put them up!)

By the way, I am a petite delicate flower. A female. A woman. The epitome of femininity. I guess because I don't go by my full first name but my initials, it confuses people.





[This message has been edited by bearsclover (edited 01-06-2003).]

Appologies!

yeah! dumba$$!

~slaps~ synax

Jason

Ah, glad to see you're still here bearsclover. Anyways I did some more shaping up. Probably all for today.

Look at his right eye, look at your right eye.

Is it me or is it fear? You can only see the whole iris when somebody is scared to dead, can't you? (That's why Synax's and Bearsclover's eyes are so nice. I love them.)

It's because insider is following (far too closely) a loose tutorial on roughing out an eye in PS. He missed the point, hence the recreation of an eyelid that is far too open for the circumference of the iris.

Andre: Nice work, very sweet style and stroke.

Bearsclover already knows how much I enjoy that sketch

By The Way: What Photoshop Movies??

[This message has been edited by DarkGarden (edited 01-06-2003).]

Krets - ahh, I see. The painting is slightly exagerated, but I do actually have quite pronounced lower lids...look like I've been days without sleep most the time... =)

And as far as Inisder's eye - yep...same thing I've been trying to tell him....

Just a quick question...
Do you all use wacom tablets?
I find it quite hard to draw all the necessary lines for my eye when I'm using the mouse...
Michael: You use a tablet, right?
I tried to make something like you did, but it looked like a piece of junk!

-Zlathar

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Just a mouse here.

Yes, I'm using a tablet.
Used a mouse for a long time prior to getting the tablet 5 months ago, though.
My 'style' has changed considerably since then.

People around here paint with just about anything...... even the trackball.
It comes down to whom is more critical when they look at things.... and how they 'see' the subject.


FAQs n' Bits: Michael

oh... forgot to add a few things....

DL- wonderful. i love it.
bearsclover- i've been an admirer of your work in the past as well. lovely.

synax- quit yer job already... and paint more.


FAQs n' Bits: Michael

Great work synax! And Bearsclover too of course!

I'm not satisfied with my eye, but I'm going to post it anyway, so you can help me...



I NEED HELP

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Ok, looking better.

The biggest issue for me is still the shape of the eye.

The best help I can possibly offer is to sit in front of a mirror staring at your eyes...

Just look at first, give it a few minutes. It might help to even pull out an encyclopedia or an anatomy book and see what the things you are looking at are called, and what they look like underneath the parts you can see (you'll better understand how to draw the parts you can see if you understand the parts you can't...)

Then grab yourself a pencil, or you mouse, and just make some sketches. They don't have to be good, you're trying to get the technical issues down.

Some better interaction between the lids and the eyeball would help too...at the moment it's kind of like a slit has been cut in the skin - there is much more going on in real life.

Keep it up =)

I'd also like to add that it may be beneficial if you flesh out the rest of the features within your constrained area (ie, the bridge of the nose, cheek bone, forehead). This way, you'll get the whole feel of where things should be, and what's missing.

[Edit: Just wanted to add that I've uploaded the full 1:1 resolution of my eye right here (87.16kb) for anyone who wishes to see how messy it actually is.



[This message has been edited by synax (edited 01-07-2003).]

Actually, I stopped following your tutorial DG, right when I had the basic layout of my eye. Just to let you know.

I didn't have much time to fix it today so I did a little more work and that was it.

Regardless of whether or not you followed the tute, the basic fact is that no amount of shading or adding detail is going to fix that eye.

What it needs is to be properly shaped.

Until that happens, it simply isn't going to look like a human eye.

eyes, ah yes the windows to the soul, some very beautiful souls we have here

larger version
i was going for that 4am look

i love eyes, looking into them, drawing them, eat..er um ... i mean, did i mention i love eyes?



[This message has been edited by EzRa-D (edited 01-07-2003).]

I've never painted in Photoshop before, but I thought I'd give it a try anyway.

Speaking of souls, I think I found my soul mate EzRa-D. Is it safe to say I love you? .

Just can`t resist an eye thread. I tried to hold back...but...

Very nice db!

Nice Bob =)

The only thing I have an issue with on that is the highlight on the eyeball.

It's not really gel-ing with the rest of it...

The skin kind of looks like ceramic on that one DB but the rest is great! Lovin the eyelashes.

Well... that was a lot harder than it looks. I had problems trying to figure out skin tones/colours and even now my eye looks very flat. Also, the eyeball didn't go very well and I sort of gave up on it... for today at least. I'll give it another go tomorrow and see if I can make needed improvements.

I like it!

Synax -

just for you.

It's not finished, obviously, but it's as finished as it's going to be for now...





[This message has been edited by DL-44 (edited 01-09-2003).]

Thanks synax.
DL : I used a photo for reference, and that`s where the reflection was...or do you mean, like, intensity, or opacity, or..

synax, DL, bearsclover : all very nice.

DB - yeah, I'd say opacity more than anything. Seems it should....meld? wrap? conform? better...

love the angle and the way the eye is looking

=)

Gotcha. Thanks.

I can't bend my mind around those eyelashes. How did you do those?

(who?)

Fixed mine a bit

lovely work here. Bob, those eyelashes are just fantastic. I think that is what Synax is refering to. I'd love to know how you did those as well.

Later,

C:\


~Binary is best~

I cheat.

Make a single line path, set the brush to 1 px( depending on image size), fade X ( gotta experiment to get the right distance depending on the size of your image), and with the pen tool active right click the canvas, stroke path, select brush, click OK.

Modify the path and stroke distance as you go.

Blasphemey! (actually, nice work )

kool

kool

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Warrior~GoD§~

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edit - i fixed it so that the sig would work, then decided that it really wasn't such a good idea...

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[Emp edit: Well I editted so that the sig was moved over to somewhere else:

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where it was safe for the public to view without any danger]

[This message has been edited by Emperor (edited 01-13-2003).]

Well, I've seen a few of these threads since I've been here, but this is the first time I've decided to give it a go. This is only my second painting (1st was my sig below), but don't be afraid to completely rip into me. I'd actually appreciate it if you did I'd like to gain a lot more skill with my mouse, instead of relying more on PS.

The first thing I notice is that the eyelid isn't thick enough, like the part where it folds into the skin, and just in general. Does the iris look too big to any of you, as well? I based it off my own eye, but I think I might have large iris'.

Edit: few fixes on the lower eyelid
Edit2: after clicking back and forth between the two, I've noticed it's still not quite enough. May be back in a bit with an update, but I have homework to take care of..



[This message has been edited by Raptor (edited 01-13-2003).]

Lookie...a new Yannah.


Raptor..looks good so far..very nice. The eybrow and lashes look well defined, but by contrast the rest of it is too simplistic. The eye itslef looks flat. I mean the eye..not the surrounding skin, dig? Up your contrasts and values moving into it...more variation. The folds around the eye are a bit (just a bit) off as well, look closer at your eye..the outer corners shouldn't have circling folds, but that's what seems to be happening on the left side there. The eyelid itself looks good, until it interacts with the eyeball. You were right, it has no weight, needs a thickness by defining more of a highlight area just under the eye..showing that "ridge" that portrays the weight of it.

Darker down...lighten up...more variance, and less "smooth"ness.

Keep going

In addition to what DG said, maybe try some more color variation in the iris. Also that flehsy-bump-thingy in the inner corner moves in to cover more of the ball, rather than just the red edge that you have now. Right below the bottom lid, you can see the roundness of the eyeball, as well. Remember it`s a complete ball, not just the part you can see.
Textured brushes work really well for blending colors, too.
Nice work for your second painting. Stick wih it .

Bleh, I lost my post.

So like I had said, I flipped the canvas and felt the shape was off a tad. Here's the reworked version, with a few of the things that were mentioned here as well. The bottom lid still feels a bit thin to me, but I'll take care of that tomorrow. My (real) eyes hurt.

Thanks for the advice guys, its much appreciated

Remember also that "that flehsy-bump-thingy in the inner corner" is actually 2 different things!

One of the most common flaws in painted eyes is simply sticking a pink bump there.

The Caruncula is the glob in the very corner, and off that comes the Semilunar Fold, which kind of wraps around the eyeball a little bit.

Raptor - everything else about your painting has been covered so I'll leave it at that.

Thanks everybody, for your input. I worked over a bit more (not much). I'm going to move onto a few other things, and leave this one unfinished for now. Thanks again for the help

Final, unfinished version

I poked at this a bit more, whaddya think ?





<edit> Knocked some color off the veins and reduced the texturing as per Emps suggestion below and overwrote this image. </edit>

[This message has been edited by docilebob (edited 01-16-2003).]

db: That is really great. Some thoughts though:

1. The veins are slightly too pink and little too sharp (they are actually under the cornea so would look a little more diffuse).

2. The skin looks a little too mottled. I have freckles but that looks a little... difficult to describe - I like the effect but it just jars slightly.

But other than that it is looking awesome

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FAQs: Emperor

It's definatley my favorite eye here! I'll leave it to the experts to pick at it Mostly because I'm going to bed now

Fantastic work, deebs!