Preserved Topic: a discussion about taiwan (Page 2 of 2)

Suho1004, I wasn't the one that started a thread asking why I criticize a country I've never visited, I think it is perfectly proper to give a clear and honest answer to it.

I am hardly worried about a few harsh words occurring here. I'm not sure how familiar you are with the history of this forum because for all I know you've been lurking for quite some time but we generally don't hold back when it comes to being honest with one another. I would really hate to see that tradition diminished for fear of a flame war.

True. That's why I asked why vanvanta decided to begin this thread in that way. I admit when I first read it it seemed a tad, well, 'whiny,' for lack of a better word. But the thread has moved away from that area to talk about what China needs to achieve democracy. Of course, you are free to bring up any point you want. I just thought that it would be less productive. I do understand that you have very strong feelings on the issue.

I lurked for a short while before I began posting, but you don't need to be around here long to discover that no one pulls punches. I do not "fear" a flame war, per se, I was just hoping that the thread would continue in the most productive vein possible. This is just my opinion, of course, and you're free to ignore it .

I, too, though, am still curious as to why vanvanta started the thread that way. It was kind of jarring at first, and I didn't respond at first because I wasn't sure of what to say.



What does it mean?

bugimus:thank you for your joining this discussion
Maybe i have not enough materials or maybe you dont know much more about china (please parden my aggression ),
In the recent 200 years , Tibet is not a country name ,it is only a region name ,at least in most of the chinese mind.(If you have more evidences to prove that it was ever broken away from china since qing dynasty ,please inform me)

I know what the government will do ...I will not post this kinds of things in the open forum of china,because the master will delete it as soon as possible if they find this post .That is why I came here .I really like the atmosphtere here ,it is also safe enough(really?) The net police maybe not notice this forum which is famous for its photoshop and 3d tech forum not other kinds of forum.

sohu1004:I find that my expression is not very appropriate to illustrate it.

in chinese ,it is :ben wo ~zi wo ~chao wo (?)

Maybe we can post another post to discuss it in the future .

what i want to explain is that the people should resolve their basic need ,if the basic need is reach,
the advanced need is coming.(so many people here are still busy resolving their food problem now)

If you dont really understand it ,ok ,let it go

I think the name of this post is not very clear .At the beginning ,what i want to discuss maybe devided to 3 question :the tibet problem
,the Taiwan problem
and the democracy of china .

All of above are discussed together,obviously ,nationalism and democracy mixed at last ...it is chaos.

If you dont mind ,I want to post the tibet and taiwan question in other 2 different post ,
here we only discuss democracy.


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[This message has been edited by vanvanta (edited 05-01-2002).]

vanvanta: OK, I understand what you mean now. Unfortunately, Chinese pronunciation doesn't help me, since I can't speak Chinese, only read a little . But I do understand what you mean, and I can see your point: it's difficult for people to think about democracy when they're starving. I would agree, as long as prosperity doesn't become a kind of "pacifier" so that the people won't complain about not having democracy.

A separate thread for the other issues sounds like a good idea. I'm sure it will be lively .





What does it mean?

Hmmm...someone (suho1004) brought up my peoples fate in the USA...yes, I guess you could consider that as an invasion, conquest, etc. Unfortunately, at that time in history, there wasn't any 'support' for my people from other countries, so the US at that time could do whatever they wanted (and did so). However, it is not forgotten, and is a problem to this day. Resolving these problems seem to be a sore point (especially for the US government). It seems that in history, the losers of a conflict are almost always victims....I assume that most 'americans' would like to see this problem just go away, rather than dealing with the injustices of the past.

However, the problem of Tibet...since it has been mentioned that it will be moved to another post, I will reserve my opinions for that...and those for Taiwan, as well.