Topic: Post Counts do count!

as a mad librarian, i've had some experience working with old threads and have come to this conclusion:

post counts as done now are nonsense! pure and simple. so many ppl answer repetitive questions and simple questions and get the questioner to focus.. and the posts get deleted because they have been answered before. or are no longer relevant for many different reasons.. yet because they are deleted, the inmate has a low post count which seems to indicate low activity. why should post counts count only those responses which get archived? oh lookee, more of what i had to say got archived! la dee dah. post counts should give an indication of how active an inmate is! and so what if a few numbnuts go overboard.. we can call them down again as we did before.. . hmph

I dont care about post counts in all honesty... Still, Im interested in seeing what all the levels are. I don't exactly see the point you are trying to make but that's just me! So I'll just agree with you! I agree with the mad librarian! Gimme drugs!

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Are the rankings ( in roman letters ) affected by the deletions of old threads ?

When a thread gets deleted, all that happens is that the thread doesn't exist anymore. Post counts and ranks aren't changed at all.

The reason for the lower post counts that everyone found in their profiles after TP reintroduced them is that we had to start somewhere - the old stats were lost with the move to the new Asylum, so what seemed easiest was recounting all the posts found in the database. That way, posts deleted months or years before couldn't be taken into account anymore, but as I said no post you make now or in the future will ever be substracted. So all's well

/*edit: The ranks are listed in this faq, Black Hat:

Our Ranking System

It's not quite up to date, though, you'll have substract 1 from the numbers listed there, but... no biggie I guess */

(Edited by kuckus on 09-30-2004 16:14)

kuckus, thanks for the info. i obviously misunderstood the situation, but how is it such info was lost? weren't they in a db so that the count would show as it did when someone posted? just curious

Quality statt Quantity.

WebShaman | Asylum D & D | D & D Min Page

Less is more. ... well not all the time.

Well, they weren't exactly lost by accident, but just not imported when we made the switch. TP was in California when the recounting was done, the old asylum backup cd on the other side of the globe, so that's what we have now


WS: Nice mix! =)

are you suggesting WS that there is/was no quality when the deleted posts were originally made? please...

and our random ranking system is absurd, imho. why have some fancy algorithm to create promotions when something as simple as firm numbers would work? why not put all that work into making the "Previous Post" and "Next Post" buttons?

they made the old Asylum that much more user friendly.. for those of us with dial-up connections who watch the pspong matches, it would save lots of waiting time

Just make better posts....

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kuckus - if they weren't exactly lost by accident, but just not imported? you're saying this was a deliberate decision? what has TP being on the far side of the planet got to do with anything? what are you sitting in front of now? don't you use that to transfer info? hello?

*calming myself, taking a deep breath* ok, so now why was the decision made to delete various attributes of the old Asylum?

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Just make better posts....

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tnt, i asked this of WS and now i ask you. are you suggesting there is/was no quality when the deleted posts were originally made?

[edit - good night, got to sleep before the sun comes up ]

(Edited by velvetrose on 09-30-2004 16:49)

I think my statement stands as put.

It has always pretty much been an "unofficial" stance around the Asylum, that post count doesn't mean shit, it is the quality of the post itself that counts.

This was discussed into the ground, when the system first got implimented in the new Asylum.

Now stop whining about it.

WebShaman | Asylum D & D | D & D Min Page

WS, quality has nothing to do with whether or not a thread gets deleted.

also, i am not whining, i am voicing my concerns about the loss of features in this new asylum.

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quality has nothing to do with whether or not a thread gets deleted.

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I sincerely hope, that is not the case with the new Asylum.

I am not talking, about the old Asylum - but the new one.

WebShaman | Asylum D & D | D & D Min Page

(Edited by WebShaman on 09-30-2004 17:32)

I'm a little at a loss.

We do now have a post count back. It's not exactly the same as if the post count had been copied and continued from the original asylum, but it is certainly close enough to give a ball-park figure.

What is the issue? (and remember that I ask that as one of the main proponents for bringing back the post count in the first place...).

WS - as a sidenote: yes, it was discussed over and over and over, but never with any real resolution, until TP added the post count into the 'patient file'.

There are still plenty of strong arguments supporting the usefulness of post counts. It is very obviously not the sole measure of someone's worth - but in what circumstance do you ever have one thing that is? It's simply one more peice of information that helps you assess a person, in an environment where we have precious few...

DL - all good points.

However, what real difference, would it really make, to include the "old" posts from the old Asylum in the post count of the new Asylum??
Would it be worth the amount of work invested into it (assuming it was possible)?
For me personally, it does not matter. And post count has never meant anything really, to me...either my own, or someone elses. I read all the threads on post count this, post count that. I know that the count got brought back. I see no real reason to continue such a discussion further.

*shrugs*

I'm done with this topic.

WebShaman | Asylum D & D | D & D Min Page

WS - No, not at all - that's more or less what I said in the first part of my post.

The part addressed directly to you was more of an 'aside' than anything..

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*runs off into the shadows as my post count slowly goes up....




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quality has nothing to do with whether or not a thread gets deleted

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I sincerely hope, that is not the case with the new Asylum.

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WS, you obviously did not read the whole thread, but picked up a couple of words and assumed you knew what was being said.

What I did say in my first post

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so many ppl answer repetitive questions and simple questions and get the questioner to focus.. and the posts get deleted because they have been answered before. or are no longer relevant for many different reasons

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yes, many quality answers get deleted because they have been answered *many* times before or have become irrelevant. as a MadSci, you have surely noticed this when you found the time to archive relevant threads and delete others? so why are you even asking this question? are you suggesting something about the competence of those archiving and deleting? - yourself included?

fyi for the inmates - irrelevant threads include (for instance/for example) those first announcing that godzilla has created a browser for the mac and threads where someone asked a question and got no replies - unless... within that thread some inmate made his/her first post, then the thread is saved as part of asylum history

(Edited by velvetrose on 09-30-2004 23:13)

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Would it be worth the amount of work invested into it (assuming it was possible)?

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since the post count appears now in the patient file, the code to enable it must be available.. "&&" could place it in the box under Insane since?

(okay that's a teensy bit of java that i recall (something like that), but whatever language this asylum is written in must surely have an equivalent?

(i did not read the whole thread)
velvetrose: the code certainly is available. but you know, we have discussed the issue postcount a million times before, and this seemed like the best solution. i would recommend to contact tp about this.

B | T | E | P | L

Post counts should go backwards.
Everyone gets 500... when you reach zero you're automatically banned from the forums indefinately.
-There's yer quality.

Great, let's start now.
Michael, you should have left 427 posts ago. Luckily for me, I have 268 left. 267 after this one.

427 eh?--- somehow I'm under the impression I should be in the negative numbers.

ok, here's the skinny:

-When I was finally convinced that post counts in the patient file was something that was a) possibly without straining the server b) the sensible thing to do and had the time to implement them, I was in California. The old asylum's backup was in central europe, and I was not going to bother my gf with searching a cd, and transmitting serveral thousand files to me.
-Post counts below 'insane since' I simply willl not implement - I don't think they add to anything but the general entropy of this universe. Stop arguing.
-Next and Previous thread buttons are in the ->grailtodo list and will get done - eventually. Life may be long, but the years are darn short, and there are other issues - face to face person relationships, and things people actually hand over the green, rectangular stuff to me for, which simply have higher priority than interface improvements on the asylum. Those come a long time before most of my other 'hobby' projects, but never the less are low on my overall priority list.

so long,

->Tyberius Prime

'Bout 3 months late with that, aren't ya?... heh.

at least.... see, I'm even to busy to read the dates in threads ;-)